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Trunks · 05-16-2006, 06:41 PM

Britain is no more socialist than the UNITED STATES. In this modern era it is not realistic to not expect some social services from the government, such as access to health care and an unemployment check every two weeks. However, there is a REASON why no government exists as a purely socialist state - because it does not work. Period.

Well we've never had a pure socialist state so how do we know? You are probably right, but only because it would be a single socialist nation in the midst of dozens of capitalist ones.

Because it stifles free market growth, which stifles industry, which stifles modernization and creativity, which stifles progress, which - well you see where this goes.

How does being provided with everything you need in life in exhange for work do any of those things? If anything, modernization, creativity, and progress would be more evident because for once, people wouldn't be worrying about money, they would be doing what they love to do. Growing up, my father never once told me to do what I liked. He told me to do what got me the most money. That is wrong, but thats the mentality which so many people have. They waste their lives away, make a lot of money, doing things they don't like, and in the end, what does it add up to? A big house? A cool ride? What matters is happiness...and the willingness to work towards making the earth a better place to live, something I don't see much in our current world...

Oh give me a break. As if capatalistic democracies somehow arent for the people.

They aren't. Everything is determined by money. Money determines power. Money determines the presidential candidates. Money determines whether I can get into the college I want. Money creates large rifts between the various classes of society. The poor get poorer, the rich get richer, and the ones in the middle stay in the middle.

Right - so instead of the material elite, you produced the political elite, who did a BANG UP job.

And we do not have political elite?

Youre overgeneralizing causes of poverty under the United States government. Presuming a capatalistic model is the ONLY reason many live below the poverty line is specious. You dont think theres poverty in the Oceanic states? You dont think its possible for someone to receive government aid and not be below the poverty line?

I never said that. But I did say the capitalist system is flawed, and as a result of its flaws, many people are in poverty.

Irrelevant to this discussion, and a faulty expansion of the ideas of socialism.

On the contrary, it is very relevant. We don't sell food to Africa, because the only thing african countries like Chad and Zimbabwe can give us in exchange is sand. I am exagerating of course, but my point is, in a capitalist world, as many people said in this thread already, the goal is to make money. Selling food to chad doesnt get countries as much money as selling to other countries. So the result? Nobody sells food to Chad. And the people starve. And we wonder why.

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Trunks is Offline Senior Member Posts: 1,410 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA	05-16-2006, 06:41 PM Britain is no more socialist than the UNITED STATES. In this modern era it is not realistic to not expect some social services from the government, such as access to health care and an unemployment check every two weeks. However, there is a REASON why no government exists as a purely socialist state - because it does not work. Period. Well we've never had a pure socialist state so how do we know? You are probably right, but only because it would be a single socialist nation in the midst of dozens of capitalist ones. Because it stifles free market growth, which stifles industry, which stifles modernization and creativity, which stifles progress, which - well you see where this goes. How does being provided with everything you need in life in exhange for work do any of those things? If anything, modernization, creativity, and progress would be more evident because for once, people wouldn't be worrying about money, they would be doing what they love to do. Growing up, my father never once told me to do what I liked. He told me to do what got me the most money. That is wrong, but thats the mentality which so many people have. They waste their lives away, make a lot of money, doing things they don't like, and in the end, what does it add up to? A big house? A cool ride? What matters is happiness...and the willingness to work towards making the earth a better place to live, something I don't see much in our current world... Oh give me a break. As if capatalistic democracies somehow arent for the people. They aren't. Everything is determined by money. Money determines power. Money determines the presidential candidates. Money determines whether I can get into the college I want. Money creates large rifts between the various classes of society. The poor get poorer, the rich get richer, and the ones in the middle stay in the middle. Right - so instead of the material elite, you produced the political elite, who did a BANG UP job. And we do not have political elite? Youre overgeneralizing causes of poverty under the United States government. Presuming a capatalistic model is the ONLY reason many live below the poverty line is specious. You dont think theres poverty in the Oceanic states? You dont think its possible for someone to receive government aid and not be below the poverty line? I never said that. But I did say the capitalist system is flawed, and as a result of its flaws, many people are in poverty. Irrelevant to this discussion, and a faulty expansion of the ideas of socialism. On the contrary, it is very relevant. We don't sell food to Africa, because the only thing african countries like Chad and Zimbabwe can give us in exchange is sand. I am exagerating of course, but my point is, in a capitalist world, as many people said in this thread already, the goal is to make money. Selling food to chad doesnt get countries as much money as selling to other countries. So the result? Nobody sells food to Chad. And the people starve. And we wonder why.