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Tripper · 04-18-2007, 11:06 AM

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":107e8][quote:107e8]No one can really prevent school massacres.
How do you know? [/quote:107e8]

I'll agree on that one. You can do anything you want, as long as you're willing to pay the price. You can't stop a suicide bomber who walks incognito in a marketplace or cafe. You can't even really stop somebody from killing the President, when you're dealing with people who are willing to pay the price.[/quote:107e8]

I disagree - Its a pretty generalized statement to make...Its true you cant stop all, but considering that school shootings are part of an 'epidemic' in modern culture - There may be a way to eventually move-on from these events being commonplace, but until then it is still possible to prevent school massacres, and plenty have been foiled....There is a typical detectable behaviour associated with a school spree killer:

[quote:107e8]A thorough study of all U.S. school shootings by the U.S. Secret Service warned against the belief that a certain "type" of student would be a perpetrator. Any "profile" would fit too many students to be useful and may not fit the potential perpetrators. Some lived with both parents in 'an ideal, All-American family.' Some were children of divorce, or lived in foster homes. A few were loners, but most had close friends.

While it may be simplistic to assume a straightforward "profile", the study did find certain similarities among the perpetrators. "The researchers found that killers do not 'snap'. They plan. They acquire weapons. They tell others what they are planning. These children take a long, considered, public path toward violence."[1] Princeton's Katherine Newman points out that, far from being "loners", the perpetrators are "joiners" whose attempts at social integration fail, that they let their thinking and even their plans be known, sometimes frequently over long periods of times. The shootings seem as though an attempt to adjust their social standing and image, from "loser" to "master of violence."

Many of the kid killers told Secret Service investigators that feelings of alienation or persecution drove them to violence. Instead of looking for traits, the Secret Service urges adults to ask about behavior: "What has this child said? Do they have grievances? What do their friends know? Do they have access to weapons? Are they depressed or despondent?"[/quote:107e8]

[url:107e8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres[/url:107e8]

....On that page there is a list of at least 20 foiled plots, so dont tell me you cant prevent this from happening.

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Tripper is Offline General of the Army Posts: 18,895 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	04-18-2007, 11:06 AM [quote="Chronic Diarrhea":107e8][quote:107e8]No one can really prevent school massacres. How do you know? [/quote:107e8] I'll agree on that one. You can do anything you want, as long as you're willing to pay the price. You can't stop a suicide bomber who walks incognito in a marketplace or cafe. You can't even really stop somebody from killing the President, when you're dealing with people who are willing to pay the price.[/quote:107e8] I disagree - Its a pretty generalized statement to make...Its true you cant stop all, but considering that school shootings are part of an 'epidemic' in modern culture - There may be a way to eventually move-on from these events being commonplace, but until then it is still possible to prevent school massacres, and plenty have been foiled....There is a typical detectable behaviour associated with a school spree killer: [quote:107e8]A thorough study of all U.S. school shootings by the U.S. Secret Service warned against the belief that a certain "type" of student would be a perpetrator. Any "profile" would fit too many students to be useful and may not fit the potential perpetrators. Some lived with both parents in 'an ideal, All-American family.' Some were children of divorce, or lived in foster homes. A few were loners, but most had close friends. While it may be simplistic to assume a straightforward "profile", the study did find certain similarities among the perpetrators. "The researchers found that killers do not 'snap'. They plan. They acquire weapons. They tell others what they are planning. These children take a long, considered, public path toward violence."[1] Princeton's Katherine Newman points out that, far from being "loners", the perpetrators are "joiners" whose attempts at social integration fail, that they let their thinking and even their plans be known, sometimes frequently over long periods of times. The shootings seem as though an attempt to adjust their social standing and image, from "loser" to "master of violence." Many of the kid killers told Secret Service investigators that feelings of alienation or persecution drove them to violence. Instead of looking for traits, the Secret Service urges adults to ask about behavior: "What has this child said? Do they have grievances? What do their friends know? Do they have access to weapons? Are they depressed or despondent?"[/quote:107e8] [url:107e8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres[/url:107e8] ....On that page there is a list of at least 20 foiled plots, so dont tell me you cant prevent this from happening.