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Tripper · 09-19-2007, 08:35 PM

[quote="TGB!":8f485][quote:8f485]They could have easily escorted him out.[/quote:8f485]

You didn't see the part where they tried to do that, for nearly two minutes while he continued to make a spectacle and resist their efforts to remove him?I did, and I wondered why the fuck that many cops couldnt take a man down and remove him in a matter of seconds. The dude is a tiny nerd. This is their job. They get paid money and have training to deal with far more dangerous and deadly people. They shouldn't immediately move to excessive force. (and using a TASER in this situation IS excessive) Are we to assume these cops are totally useless without their Tasers? Even in a group of as many cops as there were? For fucks sake.
Totally unecessary.

I would put forth that giving him a lil juice is MUCH preferable to accidentally breaking his arm.
..But accidentally breaking his arm is only a possibility, just like him potentially having some kind of health condition that could lead the taser to accidentally kill him. The tasers aren't full-proof, and they most certainly aren't guaranteed non-fatal. People occasionally die from being assaulted with them. I know I'd rather MAYBE have my arm broken than MAYBE die.

Again, the shot COULDNT have been as powerful as his scream let us on to believe as he was up and joking (once the cameras were off) relatively quickly.
LOL. Okay.

[quote:8f485]Even if one cop cant handle removing a non-violent suspect without use of this kind of extreme force, then they shouldnt be a fucking cop.[/quote:8f485]

I think its about one cop not being able to handle the situation WITHOUT using physical force. Look at the big dicked n**** that comes up behind the kid. You don't think that guy COULDNT have ended this in a minute? Of course he could have. There were however cameras on these cops, and I'm sure they remember what happened in UCLA and this shitstorm that followed. This was going to be done as kid glove as possible. When he STILL refused to cooperate (at what point does someone resisting arrest become actionable to some of you), they give him an electro-kiss to get him to straighten out and OBEY COMMANDS.

Some of you I don't get - at what point when someone is causing a public disturbance, do you say "Ok, it's time to go to Plan B"?

I'm pretty sure you go to plan B when Plan A fails. Problem is, in a situation like this, Plan A SHOULDN'T fail. Like I said, if you cant remove a fucking college kid geek from a building without zapping him, and there are more than two of you, then you shouldn't be a police officer, because you're obviously not qualified for the job if you have to rely on your taser for a minor incident like this.

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Have you ever been electrocuted? "electro-kiss?" Hardly.

In America alone, there have been over 150 deaths in which the use or abuse of the Taser by police and other law enforcement officials has been implicated.

Fact is, tasers are meant to be an alternative to guns because of the fact that they obviously are nowhere near as dangerous. Now would a gun be necessary in this situation? Of course not. So why use the taser?

What would they have done in this same situation before the taser was introduced? Its not the tiny little barely painful pinch you make it out to be.

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Tripper is Offline General of the Army Posts: 18,895 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	09-19-2007, 08:35 PM [quote="TGB!":8f485][quote:8f485]They could have easily escorted him out.[/quote:8f485] You didn't see the part where they tried to do that, for nearly two minutes while he continued to make a spectacle and resist their efforts to remove him?I did, and I wondered why the fuck that many cops couldnt take a man down and remove him in a matter of seconds. The dude is a tiny nerd. This is their job. They get paid money and have training to deal with far more dangerous and deadly people. They shouldn't immediately move to excessive force. (and using a TASER in this situation IS excessive) Are we to assume these cops are totally useless without their Tasers? Even in a group of as many cops as there were? For fucks sake. Totally unecessary. I would put forth that giving him a lil juice is MUCH preferable to accidentally breaking his arm. ..But accidentally breaking his arm is only a possibility, just like him potentially having some kind of health condition that could lead the taser to accidentally kill him. The tasers aren't full-proof, and they most certainly aren't guaranteed non-fatal. People occasionally die from being assaulted with them. I know I'd rather MAYBE have my arm broken than MAYBE die. Again, the shot COULDNT have been as powerful as his scream let us on to believe as he was up and joking (once the cameras were off) relatively quickly. LOL. Okay. [quote:8f485]Even if one cop cant handle removing a non-violent suspect without use of this kind of extreme force, then they shouldnt be a fucking cop.[/quote:8f485] I think its about one cop not being able to handle the situation WITHOUT using physical force. Look at the big dicked n**** that comes up behind the kid. You don't think that guy COULDNT have ended this in a minute? Of course he could have. There were however cameras on these cops, and I'm sure they remember what happened in UCLA and this shitstorm that followed. This was going to be done as kid glove as possible. When he STILL refused to cooperate (at what point does someone resisting arrest become actionable to some of you), they give him an electro-kiss to get him to straighten out and OBEY COMMANDS. Some of you I don't get - at what point when someone is causing a public disturbance, do you say "Ok, it's time to go to Plan B"? I'm pretty sure you go to plan B when Plan A fails. Problem is, in a situation like this, Plan A SHOULDN'T fail. Like I said, if you cant remove a fucking college kid geek from a building without zapping him, and there are more than two of you, then you shouldn't be a police officer, because you're obviously not qualified for the job if you have to rely on your taser for a minor incident like this. [/quote:8f485] Have you ever been electrocuted? "electro-kiss?" Hardly. In America alone, there have been over 150 deaths in which the use or abuse of the Taser by police and other law enforcement officials has been implicated. Fact is, tasers are meant to be an alternative to guns because of the fact that they obviously are nowhere near as dangerous. Now would a gun be necessary in this situation? Of course not. So why use the taser? What would they have done in this same situation before the taser was introduced? Its not the tiny little barely painful pinch you make it out to be.