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TGB! · 09-20-2007, 09:20 AM

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My point is that it isn't in their job description to hand out punishment, whether or not the kid was being a dick and deserved it - Their job is to apprehend suspects for the greater intention of upholding the law, a COURT OF LAW determines punishment. [/quote:86a39]

Subduing an invidual isn't punishment. People arguing that he "deserves" it, aren't speaking from the POV of the campus police.

[quote:86a39]SIX COPS - ONE SUSPECT. Seriously. This doesnt seem odd to you that they couldnt get cuffs on him? [/quote:86a39]

Nope. Again, go try and subdue a friend, and tell him to resist EVERY effort you make to do so. Also, there weren't six cops on him the entire time. There were two on him, with others in the periphery. And again, it's not their job to say "ok boys give it all you got" - thats WHY they have tasers, to create a situation that is less likely to harm the officers AND the suspect.

[quote:86a39]What do you think police would have done before? Not be able to apprehend the suspect? Or would they have just shot him?[/quote:86a39]

The black individual that came from behind would have probably put him in a choke hold, or worse. A taser offers the path of least resistance on the part of the individual and the police officers. Had they done what they could have easily done, others would be complaining the they used too much physical force to take down "one skinny lil boy".

[quote:86a39]Cops would get way too comfortable using them[/quote:86a39]

Well aren't you just the center of enlightenment. Yea, they sure are trigger happy, considering the number of warnings he was given to relax and leave quietly. Oh most definitely, they just couldnt wait to get off a couple of shots to satisfy some male ego. Too bad the kid had NO CHOICE but to resist, its not as if not resisting wouldn't have gotten him tasered since OBVIOUSLY they were gonna taze him regardless.

[quote:86a39]Debateable. [/quote:86a39]

Its on the website. That's not debateable. Unless 143 medical examinations have been sealed, 7 out of the 150 are a direct result of the tasering action.

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Anything to one-up someone, right TGB?[/quote:86a39]

Oh yea - thats EXACTLY it. Gimme a fucking break. If you HONESTLY think there is NO DIFFERENCE between being electrocuted, and being given a jolt of electricity to incapacitate your motor functions, then you really have zero scale here and to you being hit with a joy-buzzer is the same and grounds for marching on Washington.

In summation. The kid caused an actionable disruption. He was asked to leave. He resisted. He was further asked to leave. He resisted. He tripped on himself causing two officers to fall under and on top of him. He continued to resist. He was warned three times after 3 minutes of resisting that if he didn't stop resisting the officers attempts to put handcuffs on him, he would be zapped. He resisted. He was zapped. Screamed like a little bitch. He then GETS UP (seconds after the excrutiatingly painful zap is administered), and walks with the officers out of the lecture hall, joking with them the entire way while there is no media present (sounds like a hell of a zap he received), and then proceeds to turn it all on again when there are.

So - no. The use of a taser wasn't unwarranted REGARDLESS of how many officers are present, since their job is to subdue the suspect using methods that pose the LEAST amount of risk to the officers, to the suspect and to the public around. Putting the shit in a choke hold or bar-locking his arms doesn't offer the same protection from "police brutality" as using a taser to stun the punk does.

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TGB! is Offline Command Sergeant Major Posts: 2,644 Join Date: Dec 2003	09-20-2007, 09:20 AM [quote:86a39] My point is that it isn't in their job description to hand out punishment, whether or not the kid was being a dick and deserved it - Their job is to apprehend suspects for the greater intention of upholding the law, a COURT OF LAW determines punishment. [/quote:86a39] Subduing an invidual isn't punishment. People arguing that he "deserves" it, aren't speaking from the POV of the campus police. [quote:86a39]SIX COPS - ONE SUSPECT. Seriously. This doesnt seem odd to you that they couldnt get cuffs on him? [/quote:86a39] Nope. Again, go try and subdue a friend, and tell him to resist EVERY effort you make to do so. Also, there weren't six cops on him the entire time. There were two on him, with others in the periphery. And again, it's not their job to say "ok boys give it all you got" - thats WHY they have tasers, to create a situation that is less likely to harm the officers AND the suspect. [quote:86a39]What do you think police would have done before? Not be able to apprehend the suspect? Or would they have just shot him?[/quote:86a39] The black individual that came from behind would have probably put him in a choke hold, or worse. A taser offers the path of least resistance on the part of the individual and the police officers. Had they done what they could have easily done, others would be complaining the they used too much physical force to take down "one skinny lil boy". [quote:86a39]Cops would get way too comfortable using them[/quote:86a39] Well aren't you just the center of enlightenment. Yea, they sure are trigger happy, considering the number of warnings he was given to relax and leave quietly. Oh most definitely, they just couldnt wait to get off a couple of shots to satisfy some male ego. Too bad the kid had NO CHOICE but to resist, its not as if not resisting wouldn't have gotten him tasered since OBVIOUSLY they were gonna taze him regardless. [quote:86a39]Debateable. [/quote:86a39] Its on the website. That's not debateable. Unless 143 medical examinations have been sealed, 7 out of the 150 are a direct result of the tasering action. [quote:86a39] Anything to one-up someone, right TGB?[/quote:86a39] Oh yea - thats EXACTLY it. Gimme a fucking break. If you HONESTLY think there is NO DIFFERENCE between being electrocuted, and being given a jolt of electricity to incapacitate your motor functions, then you really have zero scale here and to you being hit with a joy-buzzer is the same and grounds for marching on Washington. In summation. The kid caused an actionable disruption. He was asked to leave. He resisted. He was further asked to leave. He resisted. He tripped on himself causing two officers to fall under and on top of him. He continued to resist. He was warned three times after 3 minutes of resisting that if he didn't stop resisting the officers attempts to put handcuffs on him, he would be zapped. He resisted. He was zapped. Screamed like a little bitch. He then GETS UP (seconds after the excrutiatingly painful zap is administered), and walks with the officers out of the lecture hall, joking with them the entire way while there is no media present (sounds like a hell of a zap he received), and then proceeds to turn it all on again when there are. So - no. The use of a taser wasn't unwarranted REGARDLESS of how many officers are present, since their job is to subdue the suspect using methods that pose the LEAST amount of risk to the officers, to the suspect and to the public around. Putting the shit in a choke hold or bar-locking his arms doesn't offer the same protection from "police brutality" as using a taser to stun the punk does.