thanks for the replies...
are all Motorola's crap, or just the razrs... how about this
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/stor ... oneId=3096
My parents need new phone too and they always lean towards the cheap ones, so if we got these free are they any good?
Right now I've got an LG and it's been OK. I just can't see spending $200 on an enV, maybe one of the less priced LGs.