[Colonel]

I got this in an email today. I thought it was interesting...especially since I've been saying all along that I think the casualties are light in Iraq, all things considered. IMHO, as a society we've turned into a bunch of wusses that don't have the stomach to do what our parents and grandparents did when they fought Hitler, or any other tyrant from our past. I've heard folks say that the problem with President Bush is that he is stubborn. Thank God we've had Presidents like that in the past or we wouldn't be here today.

Here is the email:

Things that make you think a little........

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January......

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ...

FDR...led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked U S.

Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has

....liberated two countries----crushed the Taliban----crippled al-Qaida----put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot----and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

[Bean 2]

Whats your point? The war in Iraq is unjust much like vietnam and korea to an extent. Bush is stupid which was proven in his decision to go to war.

[Coleman]

i got this funny e-mail yesterday:


[quote:ba6a9]NAME: John Kerry

RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including one in Washington DC, worth multi-millions. I served in Vietnam (four months).

EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement. In my career as a U.S. Senator, I've voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA, and Defense bill. I ordered the city of Boston to remove a fire hydrant in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire. I served in Vietnam (four months).

MILITARY:
I served in Vietnam (four months). I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I served in Vietnam (four months). I then returned to the U.S., joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I served in Vietnam (four months). I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest. Or did I? My book "Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier", shows how I truly feel about the military. I served in Vietnam (four months).

COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
After College and Vietnam, I ran for the U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except marrying very rich women and running their companies vicariously through them. I served in Vietnam (four months).

ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
As a U.S. Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against their budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected. I served in Vietnam (four months).

My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George Bush, that he will never catch up. I make little or no charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in Massachusetts, despite family wealth in excess of $ 700 million. I served in Vietnam (four months).

I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although I blame George Bush for sending all of the other jobs out of Country. I served in Vietnam (four months).

Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts. I served in Vietnam (four months).

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
None. However, I served in Vietnam (four months).

PERSONAL I practice my Catholic faith whenever cameras are present. I ride a Serotta Bike. I love to ski/snowboard. I call my Gulfstream V Jet the "Flying Squirrel". I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche".

I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture.

I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large, polluting, inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for our energy problems. I served in Vietnam (four months).

[/quote:ba6a9]

[Tripper]

Absolutely fucking stupid....

[quote:87fc2]When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ...

FDR...led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.[/quote:87fc2]

Comparing the Iraq war to WW2 is just fucking moronic. This is republican propaganda....and just like like Democrat propaganda - I'll dismiss it as being manipulative and over the top.

[Colonel]

Whether the decision to go to war was just or not is debatable. Whether or not President Bush is stupid is debatable too - although his decision to go to war is no indication either way (two people of equal intelligence can be presented with the same group of facts and reach opposite conlusions). My point simply is that many Americans no longer possess the intestinal fortitude to prosecute a war. If you disagree with the war, say so. But I get sick of hearing people, especially the press, say crap about "soooo" many soldiers getting killed and about how long can we suffer such heavy losses. Puhleeese! I just wish they would honor the men who died but quit whining.

[Arkan]

Well, believe it or not, there's more to it than oil or WMD. I'm not gonna get into details or a debate about it since it's late and my ass needs sleep, but i'll say this.
Take time and go to NYC. Stand where the towers once reached for the skies and think about the 3000 civilians we lost that day. If 9/11 isn't etched into your mind, then you're not an American.

Disclaimer: This post was directed at fellow Americans. Anyone else can simply ignore.

[Zen]

Hi Colonel,

Great post, Stuff like this is always interesting to read.

I'll add a coment or two... that hopefully will not cause the rest of the AA maniacs to start another stupid debate that ends with lots of stfu's.

I personally have never been able to follow the "This war is just like ___ war" stuff. Just don't buy it. All wars have different reasons and variables and cannot be associated with each other. Even WWI & WWII have huge differences though the names would suggest otherwise.

I'm 27, and have a college edjumication... I feel I understand a bit of history as most guys my age do. And I certainly understand the "propagada war" that is going on right now because of the elections. That being said...

We invaded Europe in '44, but had declared war two years earlier against Japan ( http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/Pacific03.html )

The Korean and Vietnam wars, I'm sure we can both agree were attempts to eliminate the "evil" communism world order. But none the less wars faught in defence rather than aggression.
( http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/TimeLine.htm )
(http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/timeline.htm )

The Kosovo war I remember, this was a UN / NATO attempt to end a civil war in croatia. Clinton agreed to assist and offered aid.
( http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Bosnia/timeline3.html )

As far as Osama bin Laden goes, this guy was a trained US allie. We helped train the taliban so that they could rebel from the "evil" russians. Beyond that I have no personal knowledge of his threat level prior to 9/11.

This war in Iraq, just like many before it is based on political reasoning more than personal threat. There are and have been greater threats and genocide in the world since and before the invasion of Iraq. The Sudan, the Haitian problem, Korea, ect.

And the thing that bothers me the most... the single most troubling event is the fact that as a world leader, a country of freedom we invaded another country and removed its leader without UN / NATO consent.

I understand that Europeans remeber something similar happening in 1939, and I have no doubt that we are viewed in many parts of the world as nazis because of it.

[Fireal]

LOL

[Pyro]

Fighting Hitler is a lot different than the wars of today. Hitler had the capability of basically taking over the world almost. Besides America, no country is even close to having that sort of power these days.

[Unknown_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Absolutely fucking stupid....

[quote:ae093]When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ...

FDR...led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Comparing the Iraq war to WW2 is just fucking moronic. This is republican propaganda....and just like like Democrat propaganda - I'll dismiss it as being manipulative and over the top.[/quote:ae093]

agreed. I think the best counter attack to this is Farenheit 9/11. Or this might be a counter atack to that film. Either way I think that movie should be sen by everyone.

[Coleman]

don't even mention farenheit 9/11...it's all BS. Michael Moore freakin edited newspaper headlines to fit his needs in that film. we'll leave it at that.

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Coleman

don't even mention farenheit 9/11...it's all BS. Michael Moore freakin edited newspaper headlines to fit his needs in that film. we'll leave it at that.

As much as you say Moore lied...Bush did more so.

[Fireal]

Originally Posted by Colonel

Whether the decision to go to war was just or not is debatable. Whether or not President Bush is stupid is debatable too - although his decision to go to war is no indication either way (two people of equal intelligence can be presented with the same group of facts and reach opposite conlusions). My point simply is that many Americans no longer possess the intestinal fortitude to prosecute a war. If you disagree with the war, say so. But I get sick of hearing people, especially the press, say crap about "soooo" many soldiers getting killed and about how long can we suffer such heavy losses. Puhleeese! I just wish they would honor the men who died but quit whining.

Shut the fuck up.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Fireal

Shut the fuck up.

this is why talking politics on a gaming forum will never work. you have immature idiots that just insult with curse words when they have nothing to say. Colonel was doing everything in a respectable manner. Fireal, why the hell would you start this crap?

Can a mod delete those posts?

[Zen]

Not my section, but I will do....


-1 , bad james, bad...