[elstatec]

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Iran 'does not need nuclear arms'

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that his country does not need nuclear weapons.

At a rare news conference in Tehran, Mr Ahmadinejad said they were needed only by people who "want to solve everything through the use of force".

The president defended Tehran's recent move to restart nuclear research, which has sparked international condemnation.

Iran says it has a right to peaceful nuclear technology and denies that it is covertly seeking to develop weapons.

The US, UK, France and Germany are threatening to refer Iran to the United Nations Security Council, which could impose sanctions.

But the president said a referral would not end its nuclear plans. "If they want to destroy the Iranian nation's rights by that course, they will not succeed," he said.

Tehran has said it will stop snap UN inspections of nuclear sites if its case is sent to the Council.

The crisis intensified this week when Iran removed seals at three nuclear facilities, ending a two-year freeze.

'Arrogant rulers'

Mr Ahmadinejad told reporters Tehran pursued an active foreign policy which sought peace, based on justice.

He criticised the "double standards" of Western countries which already had nuclear weapons, and attacked "arrogant rulers" for causing suffering.

"Leaders who believe they can create peace for themselves by creating war for others are mistaken," he said.

A few had a "medieval mindset" and sought to deprive Iran of valuable technology, without evidence of wrongdoing, he added.

Mr Ahmadinejad sparked international outrage with his hardline stance towards Israel, following his election last June.

He repeated both his attacks and calls for a referendum for Palestinians to choose their future political fate.

"(Israelis) have no roots in Palestine and almost all are immigrants," he said.

"Let the nation of Palestine decide among themselves."

Diplomatic divisions

Western countries are now seeking to persuade other members of UN nuclear watchdog the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to agree to refer Iran to the Council.

European, Russian, Chinese and US officials are due to meet in London on Monday, when they are expected to set a date for the crucial IAEA meeting.

On Friday, US President George W Bush and German Chancellor Angela Merkel agreed that the crisis should be resolved through peaceful means.

Washington, Israel and many European powers distrust Iran, partly because it had kept its nuclear research secret for 18 years before it was revealed in 2002.

Since last August, Iran has resumed all nuclear activity apart from enrichment, which can produce fuel for power stations or, under certain conditions, for bombs.

Tehran has always said it has the right under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - which it has signed - to research nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

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I really think Iran should be left alone on this, I agree with what this dude is saying, the double standards of the US and others saying they cannot have nuclear weapons nor nuclear research when those very same countries have hundreds and have used the very weapons, when Irans leader said they do not want those weapons but just should have the right to nuclear research.

Fair enough about the comments on Israel, that was way out of line for a President to say, but still it remains that they should be allowed to have this technology. But they keep getting crapped on by numberous insecure world leaders, and wouldnt be surprised if another mess like Iraq happens here in the future some time.

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

I agree with him, but I think he needs a shave as well eek:

[ninty]

Let Iran have all the nukes they want. The US spent trillions on a nuclear deterrent, and it still works. Why would Iran turn around and nuke Israel or anyone else when they would be turned into a parking lot 3 seconds later by the US?

[Coleman]

send in James Bond

[Stammer]

Nukes are for pussies.

[Machette]

Like gwynne dyer said in his article in the toronto star today, Iran would never dream of nuking Israel because they have hundreds maybe even thousands of nukes that could strike every major city in the middle east, donated by the americans of course. His wipe Israel of the map comment is just a wish...Ayatollah Khomeini said something similar to his comment while he was leader of Iran, did it ever happen? No.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Machette

Like gwynne dyer said in his article in the toronto star today, Iran would never dream of nuking Israel because they have hundreds maybe even thousands of nukes that could strike every major city in the middle east, donated by the americans of course. His wipe Israel of the map comment is just a wish...Ayatollah Khomeini said something similar to his comment while he was leader of Iran, did it ever happen? No.

Yeah, lord knows that muslims would never attack people who have much more firepower.... oOo:

[Machette]

Look at the history of nuclear detterence. Did a nuclear war ever occur between Soviet Russia and the U.S, no. Now ask yourself why, because if they started a nuclear war we'd all be dead. It's the exact same situation with Iran going up against Israel. Plus Israel has way more nukes than any other middle eastern country. It may take Iran years to build a bomb and if they do it's for a national identity image. "Yeah we have a bomb don't screw with us" which was the image Soviet Russia and America carried in the Cold War. Look up Mutually Assured Destruction, Nuclear Detterence and look at the key missile conflicts in those years...Then apply it to this situation. Even if they are muslims, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't yell and scream they want a bomb when Israel has more than any other middle east nation..that is more important than anything in this whole debate, the side you are arguing for has more firepower than eveyone else.

[Pyro]

Good...now I just need Israel to think the same.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Machette

Look at the history of nuclear detterence. Did a nuclear war ever occur between Soviet Russia and the U.S, no. Now ask yourself why, because if they started a nuclear war we'd all be dead. It's the exact same situation with Iran going up against Israel. Plus Israel has way more nukes than any other middle eastern country. It may take Iran years to build a bomb and if they do it's for a national identity image. "Yeah we have a bomb don't screw with us" which was the image Soviet Russia and America carried in the Cold War. Look up Mutually Assured Destruction, Nuclear Detterence and look at the key missile conflicts in those years...Then apply it to this situation. Even if they are muslims, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't yell and scream they want a bomb when Israel has more than any other middle east nation..that is more important than anything in this whole debate, the side you are arguing for has more firepower than eveyone else.

So you think heading to a situation where two entities are threatening each other with nuclear weapons is a better situation? That is retarded. Israel has nukes, yeah sure, but they are also much more stable of a country.

You all are taking this too lightly, even the Security Council is saying that this is very, very serious and you know if they say that, it must be.

[Madmartagen]

i think that it is a double standard for the US to tell people they cant have nukes while we stockpile them, but in this case i think Iran shouldnt have them. the new president stated publicly that he wishes israel to be wiped off the map. its a double standard, but we have the bigger end of stick on this one. anyone who thinks that iran would be more responsible or just as responsible as the US is oOo: . Yeah we have them, but we have a higher standard of safety and technical expertise on the subject. we have used them in the past, but only to end the largest war in humanity. I think this is a no brainer, Iran shouldnt have nuclear capabilities.

nuclear proliferation and reduction is an entirely differant matter - and should not be intertwined with the IRAN issue.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

anyone who thinks that iran would be more responsible or just as responsible as the US is oOo: .

Exactly. This is much more complex than, "the US has cool toys, everyone else should be able to have them too."

[elstatec]

The US is the only country that has used a nuclear weapon on a mass human target so I do not think "we have the bigger end of stick on this one" as madmargten says is at all a valid argument, maybe if the US got rid of all its nuclear weapons then you would have the bigger end of the stick, but oh hold on a second such a mass militaristic lead country getting rid of its weapons, no way when profit can be made by the companies that manufacture arms. Machette said it perfectly anyway.

But incase you forgot this article posted is about them only seeking nuclear research which isnt the same as a weapon of mass destruction (you know the things that were supposed to be in Iraq)



oh macheet you bitch can you post that gwynne dyer article you mentioned?

[c312]

Originally Posted by elstatec

The US is the only country that has used a nuclear weapon on a mass human target so I do not think "we have the bigger end of stick on this one" as madmargten says is at all a valid argument, maybe if the US got rid of all its nuclear weapons then you would have the bigger end of the stick, but oh hold on a second such a mass militaristic lead country getting rid of its weapons, no way when profit can be made by the companies that manufacture arms. Machette said it perfectly anyway.

But incase you forgot this article posted is about them only seeking nuclear research which isnt the same as a weapon of mass destruction (you know the things that were supposed to be in Iraq)



oh macheet you bitch can you post that gwynne dyer article you mentioned?

you are so naive. You think if the US disarms that the whole world will be a better place. Yeah right, maybe in a perfect world, but you forget to remember that there are bad people who do bad things, stop making everything out to be a world with rainbows and fairies and unicorns, that's not how it is.

[ninty]

When a country disarms, how does that not make the world a better and safer place?