U.S shoot at Canadian Ambassador's car in Baghdad

Machette · **U.S shoot at Canadian Ambassador's car in Baghdad -** 02-01-2006, 12:57 PM

[quote:3efee]Agence France Presse -- English

February 1, 2006 Wednesday 4:43 AM GMT

HEADLINE: US soldiers shoot at Canadian ambassador's car in Baghdad

DATELINE: WASHINGTON, Jan 31 2006

The US military shot at the Canadian ambassador's car in Baghdad Tuesday but no-one was hurt in the "unfortunate incident," a US State department official said.

"There was an incident involving the (US) military and the Canadian ambassador's car today," a State Department official told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"They shot on it."

"No-one was injured," the official said, calling it an "unfortunate incident" and adding: "We are in close contact with Canadian officials."

The official could provide no further details of the incident.

Four passengers were riding in the vehicle, including Stewart Henderson, Canada's charge d'affaires in Iraq, when US soldiers fired on it "after it reportedly wouldn't stop," Canada's CTV News reported.

The vehicle was apparently travelling alone in the heavily fortified Green Zone when it came across an American military convoy and tried to pass it, the report said.

Members of the US Army's 4th Infantry Divisions gave the driver hand signals to stop. When the car did not, they shot over it, then at it.

"Finally they plugged the car with three rounds. Two went through the hood into the engine block. One shot went through the lower part of the windshield," CTV said.

Canada's ambassador to Iraq, John Holmes, was not in the car, and neither the four passengers nor the driver were injured, the report said.[/quote:3efee]

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As all the discussion goes on in militaryphotos.net, soldiers arn't supposed to be shooting at anybody in a green zone..gg trigger happy.

Sgt>Stackem · **Re: U.S shoot at Canadian Ambassador's car in Baghdad -** 02-01-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

Four passengers were riding in the vehicle, including Stewart Henderson, Canada's charge d'affaires in Iraq, when US soldiers fired on it "after it reportedly wouldn't stop," Canada's CTV News reported.

The vehicle was apparently travelling alone in the [b]heavily fortified Green Zone[/b] when it came across an American military convoy and tried to pass it, the report said.

Members of the US Army's 4th Infantry Divisions gave the driver hand signals to stop. When the car did not, they shot over it, then at it.

"Finally they plugged the car with three rounds. Two went through the hood into the engine block. One shot went through the lower part of the windshield," CTV said.

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THEY SHOULD HAVE SHOT AT IT. tHEY DIDNT RESPOND TO THE COMMANDS,

elstatec · 02-01-2006, 01:15 PM

yea because hand signals from a trigger happy soldier are very visable whilst driving stupid:

Nyck · 02-01-2006, 01:23 PM

shit happens, no one was hurt, it just gives pyro more ammo

Pyro · 02-01-2006, 01:36 PM

People who shot at it should be hung.

Typical.

If we did that...we'd be castrated for fucking around with PRecious Americans.

Machette · 02-01-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyll

This happened INSIDE THE ZONE,there's no excuse whatsoever for brassing up anyone inside the IZ........period.

If a PSD team did this they'd all be out of jobs,and blacklisted from Iraq.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argyll

Unless you've been in the Green Zone,you don't understand this concept,it's a secure zone,which means there are no VBIED's to be scared off....there is no justification of shooting up cars in the IZ whatsoever,I think you all need to wake up to the fact that the US MILITARY are no longer the authority,that is now firmly in the hands of the democraticly elected Iraqi government,and as so many point out,the US are now guests.

Too many times this has happened......there is no war going on inside the IZ,the dangers are a hell of a lot less,If a PSD team did the same to a US Diplomatic convoy I can guarantee you they would be expelled from the country,have all of their CAC cards revoked and blacklisted from ever returning to Iraq in the future......why?.......because it's not neccesary to flex muscles in a secure compound.....

from militaryphotos.net

Sgt>Stackem · 02-01-2006, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machette

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argyll

This happened INSIDE THE ZONE,there's no excuse whatsoever for brassing up anyone inside the IZ........period.

If a PSD team did this they'd all be out of jobs,and blacklisted from Iraq.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argyll

Unless you've been in the Green Zone,you don't understand this concept,it's a secure zone,which means there are no VBIED's to be scared off....there is no justification of shooting up cars in the IZ whatsoever,I think you all need to wake up to the fact that the US MILITARY are no longer the authority,that is now firmly in the hands of the democraticly elected Iraqi government,and as so many point out,the US are now guests.

Too many times this has happened......there is no war going on inside the IZ,the dangers are a hell of a lot less,If a PSD team did the same to a US Diplomatic convoy I can guarantee you they would be expelled from the country,have all of their CAC cards revoked and blacklisted from ever returning to Iraq in the future......why?.......because it's not neccesary to flex muscles in a secure compound.....

from militaryphotos.net

GREAT SOURCE oOo:

with all the car bombs over there it is no wonder they shot. They had no idea who or what was in that car. The driver is a dumbass. It makes no difference what nationality the driver/passengers were. Its a war zone!

Coleman · 02-01-2006, 02:16 PM

I suppose this one is George Bush's fault as well machette/Pyro/statec/etc.?

c312 · 02-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Seriously, it's a war zone in which insurgents have used carbombs to kill soldiers...Why the hell wouldn't they respond to the hand signals, morons. If we punish the soldiers for doing this, it's disabling them from protecting themselves.

Machette · 02-01-2006, 03:39 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5e07b]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machette

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argyll

This happened INSIDE THE ZONE,there's no excuse whatsoever for brassing up anyone inside the IZ........period.

If a PSD team did this they'd all be out of jobs,and blacklisted from Iraq.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argyll

Unless you've been in the Green Zone,you don't understand this concept,it's a secure zone,which means there are no VBIED's to be scared off....there is no justification of shooting up cars in the IZ whatsoever,I think you all need to wake up to the fact that the US MILITARY are no longer the authority,that is now firmly in the hands of the democraticly elected Iraqi government,and as so many point out,the US are now guests.

Too many times this has happened......there is no war going on inside the IZ,the dangers are a hell of a lot less,If a PSD team did the same to a US Diplomatic convoy I can guarantee you they would be expelled from the country,have all of their CAC cards revoked and blacklisted from ever returning to Iraq in the future......why?.......because it's not neccesary to flex muscles in a secure compound.....

from militaryphotos.net

GREAT SOURCE oOo: [/size][/quote:5e07b]

From people who know what they are talking about, surely they are just idiots..right? rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coleman

I suppose this one is George Bush's fault as well machette/Pyro/statec/etc.?

Did I say it was?

Sgt>Stackem · 02-01-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

From people who know what they are talking about, surely they are just idiots..right? rolleyes:

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just because someone posts on a military site does not mean the know what they are talking about. I never called them idiots. Do you think the soldiers knew Canadians were in the car and then decided to fire on it? All they knew was a car was approching and not obeying commands, thats all they knew. Hindsight is 20/20

soldier1 "looks like Canadians in that car"

soldier2 "yea, the Mapleleafs suck, lets shoot"

PS Id feel the same way if it were Americans in the car, nationality makes no difference in this situation

Nyck · 02-01-2006, 03:54 PM

How many times do you read "American Soilders killed by carbomb at check point etc"

Why Didnt these people stop? Regardless of "safe zone" or not. If you are a soilder and a vehicle fails to stop when asked, tell me what you are supposed to do?

I think that if a huge convey of US Military Vehicles is flagging me down to stop, I would stop.

That being said

from
[url=http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1138747814831&call_pag eid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home:387a6]Toronto Star[/url:387a6]

" However, military convoys carry markings warning that the common procedure is not to pass, a precaution against suicide bombers, he noted.

If vehicles fail to respond to hand signals followed by warning shots, “shots may be fired at the vehicle,” he said. "

What the fuck hurry were they in.

If you want to Blame some one Blame the drive of that vehicle for
1. Disregarding common procedure to not pass a convoy
2. failing to stop after hand signals
3. failing to stop after warning shots were fired above the car

Dont bring all this bullshit upon US soilders for following the procedure on how to handle this. they didnt just immediatly open fire on the vehicle and RPG it. they gave 2 warnings before shooting the engine block and lower windshield(which amazingly is no where near any occupants)

again another failed attempt on how everything is USA's fault.

Machette · 02-01-2006, 03:57 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... 60201.html

The plot thickens

Nyck · 02-01-2006, 04:12 PM

interesting will see the validity of the statement from the "unnamed diplomat"

that being said I think your mod from militaryphotos.net summed it up best

"NOT WEAPONS FREE.. This means that an order to fire had to happen. For an order to fire to happen, a percieved threat had to exist. Was the shooter (shooter and who ever was giving orders) overzealous? YOUBETCHA. Was the Canadian vehicle driver wearing his ass for a hat? NODOUBTABOUTIT. US soldiers can't count on every swiniging dick in the green zone to follow the rules or have any common sense, so the order to fire was a bit much. Firing into the hood of the car is a bit better than ventilating the front seats. None of us were there so other than being relieved that the Canadians didn't suffer much more than some soiled pants.. we really don't rate at any level to analize this. Some rate much less than others in here.

That being said, enough with the evil trigger happy american strikes again crap. This was an area brainfart. Differing from the individual brainfart, the area brainfart covers stupidity and stupid acitons in PROXIMITY to the related incident. Although some laughing and pointing may be appropriate, blame cannot originate from any indivdual."

Stammer · 02-01-2006, 05:18 PM

It's war, they're lucky they weren't fragged.