Pre-War Intelligence a 'Hoax on the American People'

ninty · **Pre-War Intelligence a 'Hoax on the American People' -** 02-10-2006, 04:51 PM

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[quote:cfa00]Powell's Former Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson Calls Pre-War Intelligence a 'Hoax on the American People' Tonight on PBS Program 'NOW'

Friday February 3, 12:19 pm ET

NEW YORK, Feb. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- In an interview airing tonight on the PBS weekly newsmagazine NOW, Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson makes the startling claim that much of Powell's landmark speech to the United Nations laying out the Bush Administration's case for the Iraq war was false.

"I participated in a hoax on the American people, the international community, and the United Nations Security Council," says Wilkerson, who helped prepare the address.

The NOW report, which airs days before the third anniversary of Powell's speech, examines the serious doubts that existed about the key evidence being used by the American government at the very time Powell's speech was being planned and delivered.

"I recall vividly the Secretary of State walking into my office," Wilkerson tells NOW. "He said: 'I wonder what will happen if we put half a million troops on the ground in Iraq and comb the country from one end to the other and don't find a single weapon of mass destruction?'" In fact, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

NOW, hosted by David Brancaccio, airs Friday nights at 8:30 on PBS (check local listings).[/quote:cfa00]

Machette · 02-10-2006, 05:13 PM

Thought this was common knowledge?

ninty · 02-10-2006, 05:22 PM

I think a lot of people will argue the fact that intelligence said there was WMD in Iraq, and when they got there there wasn't any, thus the intelligence was bad. I think this is the route most people go by.

Wilkerson is saying that they manipulated intelligence to justify the war, they didn't just get it wrong. I think there's a pretty big difference between the two.

Nyck · 02-10-2006, 05:54 PM

the whole discussion implicates that Cheney and Rumsfield were feeding and massaging the bullshit and that Powell didnt have a clue.

Interesting read.

Machette · 02-10-2006, 06:00 PM

Guys should read the assassins gate, almost finished reading it...brilliant book..

p.s stfu about book jokes nyck

Short Hand · 02-11-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty

I think a lot of people will argue the fact that intelligence said there was WMD in Iraq, and when they got there there wasn't any, thus the intelligence was bad. I think this is the route most people go by.

Wilkerson is saying that they manipulated intelligence to justify the war, they didn't just get it wrong. I think there's a pretty big difference between the two.

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NO no.. THEY shipped them all out on trucks right before the war lol rolleyes: happy:

c312 · 02-11-2006, 12:14 AM

actually, they've been said to have shipped them out on planes.

either way, I don't care, the WMDs are second priority for me. The killing of innocent citizens by the Iraqi government was the main thing for me, I think we should have gone to help regardless of WMDs.

ninty · 02-11-2006, 12:19 AM

The United States has killed thousands upon thousands of civilians. I don't see the difference between Saddam killing people and other militaries killing people regardless if it is accidental.

Short Hand · 02-11-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by c312

actually, they've been said to have shipped them out on planes.

either way, I don't care, the WMDs are second priority for me. The killing of innocent citizens by the Iraqi government was the main thing for me, I think we should have gone to help regardless of WMDs.

by a former General trying to sell a book... ed: . Why don't we just take Ferenheit 911 as 100 percent factaul while we are at it... rolleyes:

c312 · 02-11-2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty

The United States has killed thousands upon thousands of civilians. I don't see the difference between Saddam killing people and other militaries killing people regardless if it is accidental.

the intention behind the act makes it entirely different. Killing people on accident in an attempt to help them is different than killing them because they didn't vote for you, or you want to test out your new chemical weapons. Besides, I'm sure Saddam killed more innocent people than the number of innocent people who have been killed accidentally by US forces in Iraq.

If the United States didn't care about civilians, they wouldn't have spent billions of dollars to develop and build smart bombs.

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Originally Posted by c312

actually, they've been said to have shipped them out on planes.

either way, I don't care, the WMDs are second priority for me. The killing of innocent citizens by the Iraqi government was the main thing for me, I think we should have gone to help regardless of WMDs.

by a former General trying to sell a book... ed: . Why don't we just take Ferenheit 911 as 100 percent factaul while we are at it... rolleyes:[/quote:cb7ad]

that's pretty funny considering the source at the beginning of this thread is of a similar type.

Short Hand · 02-11-2006, 02:04 AM

[quote=c312]

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Originally Posted by ninty

The United States has killed thousands upon thousands of civilians. I don't see the difference between Saddam killing people and other militaries killing people regardless if it is accidental.

the intention behind the act makes it entirely different. Killing people on accident in an attempt to help them is different than killing them because they didn't vote for you, or you want to test out your new chemical weapons. Besides, I'm sure Saddam killed more innocent people than the number of innocent people who have been killed accidentally by US forces in Iraq.

If the United States didn't care about civilians, they wouldn't have spent billions of dollars to develop and build smart bombs.

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Originally Posted by c312

actually, they've been said to have shipped them out on planes.

either way, I don't care, the WMDs are second priority for me. The killing of innocent citizens by the Iraqi government was the main thing for me, I think we should have gone to help regardless of WMDs.

by a former General trying to sell a book... ed: . Why don't we just take Ferenheit 911 as 100 percent factaul while we are at it... rolleyes:

that's pretty funny considering the source at the beginning of this thread is of a similar type.[/quote:3809a]

100000 civilians have died in the war....
Thousands died in Haiti after SOA gradautes overthrew Aristide....
Thousands have died in South America, and around the world because of SOA gradautes.........
Iran and the Shah ring a bell ?....

Beleive it or not there is a very fine line between the what is called good and bad.

Sgt>Stackem · 02-11-2006, 05:51 AM

I believe

1 they (WMDs) were shipped out

2 WMDs were not "needed" in order to attack

3 he didnt follow through with the promises made at the end of the Gulf War and that ALONE is enough to invade (with the UNs blessing-more on them later)

4 he (sadaam) would torture, rape and kill as he felt. No ryme or reason, the people of Iraq are better off today than they were before we came

5 the UN is a useless org with no teeth, the world knows they can snub them anytime because they will never back up what they say

PS Im betting the wistle blower will "disappear"

Machette · 02-11-2006, 09:27 AM

Yeah they are better off with the civil war going on now. rolleyes:

Also I'm glad to see the money being spent there is going to good use. oOo:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/ ... 2378.shtml

ninty · 02-11-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by c312

that's pretty funny considering the source at the beginning of this thread is of a similar type.

Does Wilkerson have a book coming out? He's being interviewed on something he and people around him did, not what he thinks happened.

Anyway, i'd like to know why those who think WMD were shipped out do think that way.

c312 · 02-11-2006, 12:56 PM

there was another thread about this about the pilot who said he had shipped wmds out on planes. Also, they found some dismantled parts of rockets in Denmark or something, then there's the fact that they had WMDs after the last war, were ordered to disarm them, and now cannot account for the disarmament of the missing weapons.