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Originally Posted by Pyro
I don't see how you can say he's the reason people can't get out.
The STATES owns hip-hip...and from talking to people from the states...people HATE Jay-Z and Nas now...so how can they be holding back the rest?
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Have you talked to the majority of american hiphop fans? Didn't think so. Theres a reason why 70% of Jay-Z's fanbase is WHITE. It's wiggers who bump his music because of the image. I don't even know why you're trying to argue this...it's pretty much accepted fact that Jay-Z is a joke to everyone actually in the industry of making hiphop music for the love of music.
The industry of making hiphop music for money is a whole other industry, not to mention a joke. It's like listening to a well-tailored advertisement for Clothes, Cars, Fine Liquor and Prostitutes. It's ridiculous watching you try to defend it.
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Originally Posted by Pyro
99% of Emcee's in the entire world wish they could drop an album like Reasonable Doubt or the Blueprint.
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Appreciating the production for situations like parties etc (where this kind of music flies fine and dandy) is one thing, but claiming his emceeing is something special? lmao.
That's fucking hilarious. You're totally full of shit...You expect me to believe this crap? The blueprint....? ROFLMFAO. The emceeing on that album was fucking pisspoor compared to Reasonable Doubt, and even that is barely a classic. I guarantee the only way that any emcee would agree with that statement is if you were talking about the money he made off of the albums, from sucking in the popular market which listens to such terrible music anyway.
The people that control what gets played go by a strict format, only giving true originality a chance if it is structured perfectly for the market. To do that, you have to tailor your music a certain way, which means either learning the ways of the industry, or becoming your record producer's bitch in terms of creative control.
Quality of emceeing simply doesn't sell rap anymore....I don't even know why they call it rap. Eminem was the last truely skilled emcee, and he only got popular because he was white, and it was interesting.
[quote="Jay-Z":01364]I don't see how having confidence is a bad thing...guy is cocky...honestly...he's probably the only one in rap music with the success to be cocky...guy went from nothing to president of def jam...pretty good if you ask me. Puffy is another one...but Puffy is only relevant cuz of biggie.[/quote:01364]
That's not confidence, that's arrogance. Look at the way it is exerted. hundreds of songs about how cool someone is gets old. Seriously appreciating music like that means respecting the rapper who is talking all this shit - That is a little hard to do when all they talk about is how good they are, or all the shit they have, and someone who will drop the music they actually love for the benefits of being a popular artist - Which is cash.
Have you noticed how its only popular rap that is arrogant? It's because it sells to the stupid kids who eat this shit up. People that want his image of mysogynistic drug-dealing arrogance.
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Originally Posted by Pyro
Not everything mainstream is terrible...the best msuic listeners...are the ones who can appreciate both the underground and mainstream...even if you decide to like more of one than another. People latch on to one or another and thats why mainstream doens't see underground come out...and the ignorance of backpackers is ALSO a factor in why there music is never being heard.
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You think I don't appreciate mainstream music? How the fuck do you think I know all this shit....? Some of my favourite albums are mainstream.
It's not a debate about underground v.s mainstream, its a debate about what has happened to mainstream in the last ten years....A.k.a, Its demise in terms of quality and originality of subject matter. Popular rap is fucking boring....and its a recruitment tool for stupid kids who get off on the rebellious nature of it. One big fucking advertisement.
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