One of the reasons the Irish hate british troops

geRV · **One of the reasons the Irish hate british troops -** 02-01-2003, 06:51 AM

In the early 1900's, the Royal Irish Constabulary, England's police force in Ireland, was having a difficult time recruiting. Its barracks were the targets of repeated raids and ambushes by Irish rebels. By 1919, English authorities advertised for men who were willing to "face a rough and dangerous task." That task was to supplement the dwindling ranks of the RIC in patrolling an increasingly hostile Ireland.

The English recruits to the RIC were mainly the unemployed veterans of World War I. Their principal motivation: employment for ten shillings a day. When the first recruits arrived in Ireland on March 25, 1920, after three months of training, they looked like the irregulars which they were. Since there were not enough RIC uniforms for the new men, they were equipped with khaki service dress supplemented with constabulary uniforms, so that they appeared in a strange mixture of khaki and dark green, some with khaki tunic and green trousers, others in all khaki, some with civilian hats, but most with green caps and black leather belts of the RIC. These uniforms led to their being called "Black and Tans," after a famous pack of hounds. Limerick gets credit for this appellation.

The Black and Tans, although they served in the constabulary, never acted as policemen. Their service experience had been in trench warfare on foreign soil. Absent in their background was the constable's role as servant to the community in the protection of life and property. The Black and Tans acted as an occupation army. They had signed on for an indefinite period of service with no pension rights and ineffective discipline.

Eventually over 2000 Black and Tans were distributed over Ireland to strengthen police posts, to make Ireland "hell for rebels to live in."

On June 17, 1920, Lt. Col. Smyth was appointed division commander of the RIC for Munster. Below is part of his speech to his constables:

"....If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there - the more the merrier. Police and military will patrol the country at least five nights a week. They are not to confine themselves to the main roads, but make across the country, lie in ambush and, when civilians are seen approaching, shout "Hands up!" Should the order be not immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man ..."

Orders such as these help to explain why the Black and Tans have such a wretched reputation among the Irish.

Nice speech huh. mad:

Captain Bunny · 02-01-2003, 07:18 AM

I remember reading about that in history class (was meant to be learning about royalty during world war 2 but fuck that crap, so i chose to look busy while learning something more interesting)
It is rediculous some of the things that have been left unfinished and unpunished, we would still take a 90 year old who was a nazi in world war 2 and try them for war crimes over 50 years ago, yet we would not touch anyone for the orders giving in ireland about shooting civilians.
Its things like this that people dont understand or are unaware of when they object to things like the memorial you posted a while ago, people saying it was sick that a memorial was raised in honour of those "terrorists".
They dont seem to realise that it isnt all one way, and that the british government has fucked these people more times and in more ways than jenna jameson.

geRV · 02-01-2003, 07:40 AM

[quote="Captain Bunny":798d7]I remember reading about that in history class (was meant to be learning about royalty during world war 2 but fuck that crap, so i chose to look busy while learning something more interesting)
It is rediculous some of the things that have been left unfinished and unpunished, we would still take a 90 year old who was a nazi in world war 2 and try them for war crimes over 50 years ago, yet we would not touch anyone for the orders giving in ireland about shooting civilians.
Its things like this that people dont understand or are unaware of when they object to things like the memorial you posted a while ago, people saying it was sick that a memorial was raised in honour of those "terrorists".
They dont seem to realise that it isnt all one way, and that the british government has fucked these people more times and in more ways than jenna jameson.[/quote:798d7]

Exactly right, people whine about the nazi's and their warcrimes but some of the shit the black and tans did was on par with or a lot worse than some of the stuff the nazi's done yet its conveniently overlooked.

I suppose the brits just don't like to be portrayed other than the "jolly good show old boy anyone for a spot of tea" shit theyre known for.

geRV · 02-01-2003, 07:40 AM

[quote=Gerard]

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Originally Posted by "Captain Bunny":76e8b

I remember reading about that in history class (was meant to be learning about royalty during world war 2 but fuck that crap, so i chose to look busy while learning something more interesting)
It is rediculous some of the things that have been left unfinished and unpunished, we would still take a 90 year old who was a nazi in world war 2 and try them for war crimes over 50 years ago, yet we would not touch anyone for the orders giving in ireland about shooting civilians.
Its things like this that people dont understand or are unaware of when they object to things like the memorial you posted a while ago, people saying it was sick that a memorial was raised in honour of those "terrorists".
They dont seem to realise that it isnt all one way, and that the british government has fucked these people more times and in more ways than jenna jameson.

Exactly right, people whine about the nazi's and their warcrimes but some of the shit the black and tans did was on par with or a lot worse than some of the stuff the nazi's done yet its conveniently overlooked.

I suppose the brits just don't like to be portrayed other than the "jolly good show old boy anyone for a spot of tea" shit theyre known for.[/quote:76e8b]

One of the things that springs to mind is driving an armored car into a gaelic football ground and opening fire on the crowd for no reason.

MinefielD · 02-01-2003, 09:07 AM

lol...jolly good show ... christ u talk some fukkin shite ..im a celtic fan so i understand the ways of ire and it stinks...cant even sort out religion probs dating back years..pethetic shouting and throwin shit at 5 yr old school kids...fukkin noobs the lot of u...sort your own country out b4 u go slaggin any other..

geRV · 02-01-2003, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MinefielD

lol...jolly good show ... christ u talk some fukkin shite ..im a celtic fan so i understand the ways of ire and it stinks...cant even sort out religion probs dating back years..pethetic shouting and throwin shit at 5 yr old school kids...fukkin noobs the lot of u...sort your own country out b4 u go slaggin any other..

The problems with ireland was started by englan in case u didn't know you fucking inbred moronic piece of shit.

Pfc.Green · 02-01-2003, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MinefielD

lol...jolly good show ... christ u talk some fukkin shite ..im a celtic fan so i understand the ways of ire and it stinks...cant even sort out religion probs dating back years..pethetic shouting and throwin shit at 5 yr old school kids...fukkin noobs the lot of u...sort your own country out b4 u go slaggin any other..

Intelligence abound. oOo:

JowShmoe · 02-01-2003, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MinefielD

lol...jolly good show ... christ u talk some fukkin shite ..im a celtic fan so i understand the ways of ire and it stinks...cant even sort out religion probs dating back years..pethetic shouting and throwin shit at 5 yr old school kids...fukkin noobs the lot of u...sort your own country out b4 u go slaggin any other..

i hope you have an excuse OTHER than the fact that you are a retard for writing such an icomprehensible piece of shit.

Captain Bunny · 02-01-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MinefielD

lol...jolly good show ... christ u talk some fukkin shite ..im a celtic fan so i understand the ways of ire and it stinks...cant even sort out religion probs dating back years..pethetic shouting and throwin shit at 5 yr old school kids...fukkin noobs the lot of u...sort your own country out b4 u go slaggin any other..

What, you think that because youre a celtic fan you know everything about the fighting in ireland? The whole celtic - rangers fiascos are biggoted mindless hooligans who think that chanting secatrian songs makes them big. They are not the fans. Anyone who claims to be a die hard celtic or rangers just because they are catholic or protestant is missing the f*cking point.
I happen to be a celtic fan but i am athiest, the religous backgrounds mean nothing to me, and the truth be told mean nothing today, except of course the mindless supporters still think its all about catholics v protestants.
Where is your proof that anything has been thrown at 5 year olds? or wait, maybe you mean things are thrown at adults who act like 5 year olds, in which case you will have had your fair share of shit thrown at you.

geRV · 02-01-2003, 10:48 AM

I think hes referrring to the school in ardoyne and it was loyalists (the ones that believe theyre british) throwing stuff at catholic kids.

Tripper · 02-01-2003, 02:31 PM

[quote:9998e]lol...jolly good show ... christ u talk some fukkin shite ..im a celtic fan so i understand the ways of ire and it stinks...cant even sort out religion probs dating back years..pethetic shouting and throwin shit at 5 yr old school kids...fukkin noobs the lot of u...sort your own country out b4 u go slaggin any other.. [/quote:9998e]

Hello, welcome to the forums you fucking imbecile! I applaud your fucking incomprehendable piece of peanut-poo you call a reply! You're going to do well here, you fucking bonobo barking monkey! happy:

Zap. USMC · 02-01-2003, 02:41 PM

Down with the brits!!!! oOo:

Tripper · 02-01-2003, 02:43 PM

VIVA LE FRANCE!

Zap. USMC · 02-01-2003, 02:47 PM

TRIPPER HAS A BIG PENIS!

Tripper · 02-01-2003, 02:55 PM

VIVA LE MA PENIS!