Affirmative Action...

Fireal · **Affirmative Action... -** 01-29-2004, 10:33 PM

For, or against? And please explain.

I for one am against it. I find it racist.
People arent getting the same treatment, because their skin.

strvs · 01-29-2004, 10:37 PM

Against.

Old Reliable · 01-29-2004, 10:41 PM

Since Affirmative action is also racist, the other way without affirmative action, it's even worse for minorities. What's the other option? minority only schools? come on..

Fireal · 01-29-2004, 10:51 PM

Schools where they accept the best students.
Ones with the best GPA's, and SAT scores. Race shold have nothing to do with ANYTHING

Tripper · 01-29-2004, 11:03 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":c1cde]Schools where they accept the best students.
Ones with the best GPA's, and SAT scores. Race shold have nothing to do with ANYTHING[/quote:c1cde]

You're only touching the surface here. This debate is alot deeper than just: "racist or not racist."

Cpt. Obvious · 01-29-2004, 11:04 PM

Please explain this "Affimative Action".

General Cobra · 01-29-2004, 11:08 PM

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":47d2f]Please explain this "Affimative Action".[/quote:47d2f]

Its kinda like a racial quota for the workplace. Like say you have 10 emplyees. AA would have u make sure atleast one was black or latino or etc.

EDIT I forgot to say what I think.

I don't like it. Seems kinda stupid and oxymoronic.

Old Reliable · 01-30-2004, 12:02 AM

What Is Affirmative Action?

Born of the civil rights movement three decades ago, affirmative action calls for minorities and women to be given special consideration in employment, education and contracting decisions.

Institutions with affirmative action policies generally set goals and timetables for increased diversity – and use recruitment, set-asides and preference as ways of achieving those goals.

In its modern form, affirmative action can call for an admissions officer faced with two similarly qualified applicants to choose the minority over the white, or for a manager to recruit and hire a qualified woman for a job instead of a man. Affirmative action decisions are generally not supposed to be based on quotas, nor are they supposed to give any preference to unqualified candidates. And they are not supposed to harm anyone through "reverse discrimination."

strvs · 01-30-2004, 12:04 AM

Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.

Old Reliable · 01-30-2004, 12:05 AM

[quote="[muted]strvs":1283e]Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.[/quote:1283e]

TECHNICALLY, it shouldn't. However, whites continue to discriminate against miniorities and give preference to other whites, and vice versa for other races. To me, this is just a temporary fix to a permanent problem.

General Cobra · 01-30-2004, 12:07 AM

[quote="Old Reliable":379e7][quote="[muted]strvs":379e7]Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.[/quote:379e7]

TECHNICALLY, it shouldn't. However, whites continue to discriminate against miniorities and give preference to other whites, and vice versa for other races. To me, this is just a temporary fix to a permanent problem.[/quote:379e7]

And if preferences were truly meant to remedy disadvantage, they would be given on the basis of disadvantage, not on the basis of race.

And to think this shit has been around for over 25 years. rolleyes:

Old Reliable · 01-30-2004, 12:16 AM

Disadvantages go hand in hand with race in some cases. Politicians like to lump it all together. Many poor school districts are home to minorities, so therefore it is perceived as a low oopportunity for them to get into the school of choice due to their upbringing.

strvs · 01-30-2004, 12:19 AM

True, its almost hard for me to take a side. But it does seem like a rash solution to a much bigger problem.

General Cobra · 01-30-2004, 12:20 AM

[quote="Old Reliable":dce57]Disadvantages go hand in hand with race in some cases. Politicians like to lump it all together. Many poor school districts are home to minorities, so therefore it is perceived as a low oopportunity for them to get into the school of choice due to their upbringing.[/quote:dce57]

Exactly thats why I myself don't understand AA because for christs sakes AA doesn't care whether you came from Harlem or Harvard. It just cares if you're a minority and fit the bill.

bwolf · 01-30-2004, 12:23 AM

[quote="Old Reliable":5e3bb][quote="[muted]strvs":5e3bb]Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.[/quote:5e3bb]

TECHNICALLY, it shouldn't. However, whites continue to discriminate against miniorities and give preference to other whites, and vice versa for other races. To me, this is just a temporary fix to a permanent problem.[/quote:5e3bb]

one of the biggest places affirmative action shows up is in education. most colleges and universities are for affirmative action (at least in the u.s.) for one reason or another; and race is not a required field to fill in, but if you do mark that you're a minority you have a much better chance of getting accepted. because you don't have to give race, the "whites" could not discriminate against the minorites cause they'd have no idea what the race of the applicant. Thus affirmative action in the college environment is absurd...

oh wait i forgot... it's to make up for the discrimation the minorities got in previous education which prevented them from being good enough to make it into college, right?