Ralph Nader goes for a recount in New Hampshire

Mr.Buttocks · **Ralph Nader goes for a recount in New Hampshire -** 11-05-2004, 07:15 PM

[quote="Ralf Nader":dd776]
November 5, 2004

Via fax: 603-271-6316

To The Secretary of State of New Hampshire:

The Nader-Camejo campaign requests a hand recount of the ballots in the presidential election in New Hampshire. Numerous voting rights
activists have requested that we seek a recount of this vote.

We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire. These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected. Problems in these electronic voting machines and optical scanners are being reported in machines in a variety of states.

We are requesting that the state undertake this recount or a statistically significant sample audit of these vote counts.

We would like to make sure every vote counts and is counted accurately.

Sincerely,

Ralph Nader

Paperless Electronic Voting

A bedrock of democracy is making sure that every vote counts. The counting of votes needs to be transparent so people can trust that their vote is counted as they cast it. Paperless electronic voting on touch screen machines does not provide confidence to ensure votes are counted the way voters intend. The software on which votes are counted is protected as a corporate trade secret and the software is so complex that if malicious code was embedded no analysis could discover it. Further, because there is no voter verified paper record, it is not possible to audit the electronic vote for accuracy, nor is it possible to conduct an independent recount. This Primary Day six million voters will be voting on paperless electronic voting machines. This is a grotesquely designed, over-complicated expensive system fraught with the potential for mistakes and undetected fraud.

On July 23, 2003 the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute reviewed the electronic voting system in Maryland and found that it had security “far below even the most minimal security standards . . . .” Johns Hopkins computer security experts concluded: “If we do not change the process of designing our voting systems, we will have no confidence that our election results will reflect the will of the electorate.”

Computers are inherently subject to programming error, equipment malfunction, and malicious tampering. If we are to ensure fair and honest elections, and retain voter confidence in our democratic process, we need to ensure that there are no such questions. Therefore, it is crucial that any computerized voting system provide a voter-verifiable paper audit trail and that random audits of electronic votes be conducted on Election Day. Paperless electronic voting machines make it impossible to safeguard the integrity of our vote thereby threatening the very foundation of our democracy.

The seller of the machines, the Diebold Corporation, is a supplier of money to one of the major party candidates, George W. Bush. The CEO and top officers of Diebold are major contributors to the Bush campaign. This does not pass the smell test. Voters should report immediately any suspected malfunctions and deficiencies at voting precincts around the country to their Board of Elections. And voters should urge their legislators to require a voter verified paper ballot trail for random audits and independent recounts.[/quote:dd776]

Hopefully Kerry/Edwards will grow some balls and follow suit. beer:

Short Hand · 11-05-2004, 07:20 PM

Did kerry not win New Hamsphire anyways ?

Mr.Buttocks · 11-05-2004, 07:23 PM

[quote="Short Hand":e1a7c]Did kerry not win New Hamsphire anyways ?[/quote:e1a7c]

That's not the point. He's the first one to step up to the plate and draw attention to the possibility of fraud. The mainstream media can't ignore it now.

Short Hand · 11-05-2004, 07:27 PM

I see what you mean., But of course most republican voters & supporters will just dismiss this as a desperate act, until we get more proof of things such as trhis thats how it will be sadly.

WidowMaker555 · 11-05-2004, 07:30 PM

no comment...

oOo:

Merlin122 · 11-05-2004, 07:30 PM

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internat ... 43,00.html

now tell me something couldn't have gone wrong for either side. extra votes on both sides don't just happen like that.

Madmartagen · 11-05-2004, 09:52 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/ ... index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137790,00.html

tomxtr · 11-05-2004, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin122

now tell me something couldn't have gone wrong for either side. extra votes on both sides don't just happen like that.

I'll admit that I'm not a Kerry fan, but I went to vote. The problem is the poll workers (God bless them) all have one foot in the grave. Most of them probably don't have an ATM card much less know how to properly set up and troubleshoot voting machines. So yeah, there probably were a lot of fuck ups. However, most people agree that Bush and Kerry carried the states where they were expected to win. And just as predicted, Ohio would be close.

The reality is, there will always be some mistakes. This is a huge country and its a miracle in my mind that in the course of a day we (conspiracy theorists not with standing) pretty much know who won.

Mr.Buttocks · 11-05-2004, 11:08 PM

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archi ... fraud.html

SoLiDUS · 11-06-2004, 02:36 AM

Don't you know ? The "Patriots" decide which puppet wins! MGS2 was right all along! oOo:

Judas · 11-06-2004, 03:23 AM

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Swill · 11-06-2004, 04:15 AM

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":3e753][quote="Short Hand":3e753]Did kerry not win New Hamsphire anyways ?[/quote:3e753]

That's not the point. He's the first one to step up to the plate and draw attention to the possibility of fraud. The mainstream media can't ignore it now.[/quote:3e753]

sleeping:

Kerry lost, thats all... -End

Short Hand · 11-06-2004, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomxtr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin122

now tell me something couldn't have gone wrong for either side. extra votes on both sides don't just happen like that.

I'll admit that I'm not a Kerry fan, but I went to vote. The problem is the poll workers (God bless them) all have one foot in the grave. Most of them probably don't have an ATM card much less know how to properly set up and troubleshoot voting machines. So yeah, there probably were a lot of fuck ups. However, most people agree that Bush and Kerry carried the states where they were expected to win. And just as predicted, Ohio would be close.

The reality is, there will always be some mistakes. This is a huge country and its a miracle in my mind that in the course of a day we (conspiracy theorists not with standing) pretty much know who won.

YES LETS BLAME OLD PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL OLD A FUCKING DUMB Q!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Mr.Buttocks · 11-06-2004, 06:20 AM

[quote=Swill1496][quote="Mr.Buttocks":387fc]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":387fc

Did kerry not win New Hamsphire anyways ?

That's not the point. He's the first one to step up to the plate and draw attention to the possibility of fraud. The mainstream media can't ignore it now.[/quote:387fc]

sleeping:

Kerry lost, thats all... -End[/quote:387fc]

I don't care who wins, but I do care about corruption. If there's even the slightest hint of fraud - Republican or Democrat - it should be investigated, wouldn't you agree?

Short Hand · 11-06-2004, 01:20 PM

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":5f03a][quote=Swill1496][quote="Mr.Buttocks":5f03a]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":5f03a

Did kerry not win New Hamsphire anyways ?

That's not the point. He's the first one to step up to the plate and draw attention to the possibility of fraud. The mainstream media can't ignore it now.[/quote:5f03a]

sleeping:

Kerry lost, thats all... -End[/quote:5f03a]

I don't care who wins, but I do care about corruption. If there's even the slightest hint of fraud - Republican or Democrat - it should be investigated, wouldn't you agree?[/quote:5f03a]

ditto.