[ninty]

http://www.rense.com/general59/mega.htm

[Duke_of_Ray]

Uhh, I actually think the planes crashing into them is what caused it. eek:

[strvs]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":99b82]Uhh, I actually think the planes crashing into them is what caused it. eek:[/quote:99b82]
That was simply not enough to make them collapse. the fires were not hot enough to melt the frames, as they supposedly did, although people remained alive on the floors where the planes had crashed, unaware of the alleged 800F+ temperatures

It simply does not add up, and if it did, i doubt someone would offer 100,000 for proof of it

[Duke_of_Ray]

[quote=strvs]

Originally Posted by "Duke_of_Ray":8bf3a

Uhh, I actually think the planes crashing into them is what caused it. eek:

That was simply not enough to make them collapse. the fires were not hot enough to melt the frames, as they supposedly did, although people remained alive on the floors where the planes had crashed, unaware of the alleged 800F+ temperatures

It simply does not add up, and if it did, i doubt someone would offer 100,000 for proof of it[/quote:8bf3a]

Yea since Bush was president when it happend, there is no way what we were told about 9/11 could be true. I honsetly see where you are coming from.

[ninty]

Duke, if you don't have anything intelligent to add, please stay out of the topic. If you wish to make a point, like above, why not add some facts so it gives your position at least a little credibilty. No one said anything about Bush in this topic.

There have been many notable differences in what engineers and physicists think should have happened, and what did happen.

For example, you may have heard of the recent fire in madrid:

http://news.google.ca/news?q=madrid%20f ... a=N&tab=wn

The fire burned for days, and the building did not collapse. WTC towers collapsed in a matter of hours. Also, WTC 7 collapsed, and it wasn't even hit by a plane.

http://www.wtc7.net/

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/k ... rcher.html

Oh yeah, and here's your Israeli friends Duke:
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

And some more reading:
http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles ... S0412-2564

[Duke_of_Ray]

Originally Posted by ninty9

Duke, if you don't have anything intelligent to add, please stay out of the topic. If you wish to make a point, like above, why not add some facts so it gives your position at least a little credibilty. No one said anything about Bush in this topic.

There have been many notable differences in what engineers and physicists think should have happened, and what did happen.

For example, you may have heard of the recent fire in madrid:

http://news.google.ca/news?q=madrid%20f ... a=N&tab=wn

The fire burned for days, and the building did not collapse. WTC towers collapsed in a matter of hours. Also, WTC 7 collapsed, and it wasn't even hit by a plane.

http://www.wtc7.net/

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/k ... rcher.html

Oh yeah, and here's your Israeli friends Duke:
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

And some more reading:
http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles ... S0412-2564

I am not saying I think you wrong, it just seems to me that nobody believes what happend on 9/11 really happend. Maybe the goverment is totally filling us with crap, or maybe thats just you, who knows. As for the Isarelies, I don't hold much credit to that story personally, atkeast that they knew a did not warn us. WE help them to much for something like that, to much of a risk for them.

[Alex D]

Originally Posted by strvs

That was simply not enough to make them collapse. the fires were not hot enough to melt the frames

The fire doesn't need to be a melting temperature to make the steel fail. It is a know fenomena that heat makes the steel weaker and it buckles in consequence. If that happens, the steel columns just bend out of plane. Some WTC pics shown that. When that happens, the remaining load of several dozens of floors up to the impact level suddently begins to be applied to the concrete core columns, way beyond their resistance limit, thus collapsing in a brittle way (i.e. explosivelly).

To be precise, what killed the WTC was the heat that make the trusses that support the floor system to bucke, thus moving out of their supports, and collapsing like pankakes, accelerating the load into the remaining columns make them fail in a brittle way. Like the firefighters saying Don't truss on trusses applies here, but no one realized that until very late, maybe because they thought the fire retardant material was still there.

This is all on record. Sorry, no explosive charges or magic melting rays.

[ninty]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

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[quote:0f4dd]"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments." [/quote:0f4dd]

http://www.umist.ac.uk/departments/civi ... lCorus.pdf

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no ... totake.htm

[Madmartagen]

wasnt there a documentary film posted on aa.com where people at teh WTC heard bomb explosions? notably, police and firemen heard explosions?

[ninty]

That was "In Plane Site" but that film was mostly BS. The video of the firefighters saying he thought there was bombs going off is true, and sizemologists have said that their equipment picked up sizemic activity that leads them to believe that bombs went off prior to the collapse of the tower.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc2groundshake.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html

Tons of 9/11 links:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/