Details spilling from the Atlanta shootings

Arkan · **Details spilling from the Atlanta shootings -** 03-14-2005, 11:43 AM

Since the shooting in the court building, there are some details that are now slipping out. I know you can't believe everything you hear but....the bottom line is this. The Sheriff's department in Fulton county screwed up big time. People lost their lives because of complacency and just plain ignorance. Here's an interesting article i found on the matter.

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

Opinions/thoughts??

Colonel · 03-14-2005, 12:08 PM

Neal Boortz is a radio talk show guy in Atlanta.

Some of the points he brings up were in the paper this morning. The whole thing where he overpowered the Deputy should have been seen on the security cameras and was not.

The paper seemed to have a conflict. At one point it says he took the Deputy's holster and keys from the holding area..... and that he was able to get her gun out of the lock box she has to put it into because he had her keys. In other section it shows a diagram of him leaving the holding cell with her gun. So I assume the box she put her gun in was inside the holding cell area? But they said he left the holding area with the "holster". It was a little confusing. So I guess she wasn't actually armed when he attacked her.

The paper also talked about the fact that this Deputy was a 51 year old grandmother, definitely not big enough to defend herself in a hand-to-hand fight with this guy. Why weren't more guys helping her, especially given the fact that they caught the guy a day or two before with metal door hinges, that had been filed down to sharp points, hidden in his socks?

**edit*** it also said that when he locked her back in the cell - it appeared he knew the exact key to use and didn't have to fumble around trying to figure out what key to use. Strange.

tomxtr · 03-14-2005, 12:50 PM

What I found a little disconcerting is that when questioned about security procedures by a reporter and what could be expected on Monday, the Sheriff's response was "business as usual." Well dumbass, "business as usual cost 4 people their lives. They should have fired that son of a bitch on the spot. He might as well said, "Oh well, shit happens." annoy:

negative · 03-14-2005, 02:03 PM

the girl in my economics class-here dad is a defesense attourney. He was there-and this is what he told her; he said that there was a miscommunication between the deputies and that woman, when he was changing in into his suit. He took her entire gunbelt. At some point, he had a second gun. Her dad said he saw him run across the road with a gunbelt in one hand, and a free gun in the other. But why would you blame the sheriff? This is the first case of this happening in Fulton County. It has already happened in Chicago, NY, all those places so its bound to happen. You cant blame the Sheriff-that is dumb

Arkan · 03-14-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by negative

......But why would you blame the sheriff? This is the first case of this happening in Fulton County. It has already happened in Chicago, NY, all those places so its bound to happen. You cant blame the Sheriff-that is dumb

Ok, please site cases in Chicago and NY. And yes, you can blame the Sheriff's department for their policies and protocols.

Sgt>Stackem · 03-14-2005, 02:31 PM

why did they have a woman with him while he changed clothing? he was in for rape wasnt he? So I would think a woman near him while nude isnt a good thing. I also read over the weekend that one officer was wounded with a shotgun but the accused only had a pistol. Did another cop injur a cop in the chaos?

Colonel · 03-14-2005, 02:57 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":65e27]why did they have a woman with him while he changed clothing? he was in for rape wasnt he? So I would think a woman near him while nude isnt a good thing. I also read over the weekend that one officer was wounded with a shotgun but the accused only had a pistol. Did another cop injur a cop in the chaos?[/quote:65e27]

Apparently the holding cell is a short little hall that has two doors facing each other that lead into little rooms. He was cuffed behind his back. He was standing in the doorway of the room she was putting him in. She undid one wrist and he turned to face her while she undid the other wrist. As soon as she undid the second wrist he pushed her through the door into the room across the narrow hall. If the other Deputies were watching they would have seen it but the part in view of the camera was over in a split second. Once he pushed her into the room (where they change) and closed the door he was out of camera view and could take his time beating her up. That is because they do not have cameras in the "changing rooms" for privacy reasons. The doors to these rooms are solid for the same reason. To me that is a design flaw. They should have a hole in the door for the guy to reach his arms through to be uncuffed (after he is in the locked room.) I also have no problem with cameras in the changing room.

I haven't heard about the officer wounded with a shotgun.

tomxtr · 03-14-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by negative

But why would you blame the sheriff? This is the first case of this happening in Fulton County.

OK, I don't blame the sheriff for the incident. However, his response to 4 people being killed should have been something to the effect of "extra measures will be taken, procedures will be reviewed, etc." Business as usual implies that there is not a problem. There obviously was a problem. Again, this is based on the press conference after this asshat was captured. My sense is that measure probably will be taken to make the courts more secure. He just came off looking like a pompous ass in my opionion. That's all. calmdown:

Short Hand · 03-14-2005, 03:41 PM

You can't depend on pigs.

Pyro · 03-14-2005, 03:45 PM

I don't see why someone who is 51 should be incharge of someone like that...especially if they are a girl as well. What the fuck did they expect?

negative · 03-14-2005, 04:00 PM

I cant site the cases-but a detective from NY was comparing there policies to ours-using Chicago and NY as examples. I think the Chiacago one happened in 1979.

Colonel · 03-14-2005, 05:55 PM

More info:

Apparently the shooter told police that he regretted shooting the judge and the court reporter. He said he went to the courtroom to kill his former girlfriend. (He was on trial for "allegedly" holding her hostage for three days, raping and sodomizing her the entire time. He had even packed a cooler with food so he wouldn't have to go out. Why did he want to rape her for three days? The third day was her birthday and I guess it was his present to her.) Anyway, when he got there and the girlfirend was not in the courtroom he lost his temper and just started shooting. Maybe he is trying to set the stage for a temporary insanity defense or something.

And before you say, "what an idiot". Supposedly the guy is pretty smart. his mom is something like an Ambassador to one of the African nations.

Also, the FBI asked the girl that he held hostage over night to not give any interviews to the media. I think they didn't want her polluting the future jury pool, etc. She didn't listen to them and gave a bunch of interviews anyway. She has also hired an attorney to handle any movie or book deals that might come. rolleyes:

Coleman · 03-14-2005, 05:58 PM

i heard that he used to play football for Kutztown University (20mins from my house)

negative · 03-14-2005, 06:12 PM

th woman said that god led her to her home-i think she wants some money

Colonel · 03-14-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by negative

th woman said that god led her to her home-i think she wants some money

Yep. I wish God had led him to hang himself in his jail cell.