Hick tries to trade another hick a (loaded) gun for an xbox

geRV

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/11273086.htm

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Zoner · 04-04-2005, 11:32 AM

Wow. annoy:

Zee world is fooked.

CoMaToSe · 04-04-2005, 12:01 PM

[quote:92882]Xbox, a popular electronic game system, officials say.[/quote:92882]
happy: biggrin:

Sgt>Stackem · 04-04-2005, 12:01 PM

"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."

he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?

Mr.Buttocks · 04-04-2005, 12:03 PM

That's a fair swap.

Coleman · 04-04-2005, 12:34 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":3b9f0]"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."

he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?[/quote:3b9f0]i actually agree with that.

Short Hand · 04-04-2005, 01:17 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":ea8fe]"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."

he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?[/quote:ea8fe]

See that is a improper comparision, The drunk was never "in the car, while the "gun was in THE backpack, and the child WAS bringing it to school, WHILE that drunk, has no intention of driving and is not even in the car. The moment the gun and when the drunk even sits in his car = the act was going to be commited. The difference is the drunk hasnt started his criminal journey, while the boy has already begun.

jujumantb · 04-04-2005, 01:47 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":dac88]"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."

he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?[/quote:dac88]
Not how zero-tolerance policies work though. At my old HS, if I were to get a minor for underage drinking, I would be disqualified from any HS sports nomatter where I was drinking or when.

Sgt>Stackem · 04-04-2005, 02:07 PM

[quote="Short Hand":3b05d]See that is a improper comparision, The drunk was never "in the car, while the "gun was in THE backpack, and the child WAS bringing it to school, WHILE that drunk, has no intention of driving and is not even in the car. The moment the gun and when the drunk even sits in his car = the act was going to be commited. The difference is the drunk hasnt started his criminal journey, while the boy has already begun.[/quote:3b05d]

so your saying if I sit in my van in my driveway and get drunk I should be locked up?

Short Hand · 04-04-2005, 02:10 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5b461][quote="Short Hand":5b461]See that is a improper comparision, The drunk was never "in the car, while the "gun was in THE backpack, and the child WAS bringing it to school, WHILE that drunk, has no intention of driving and is not even in the car. The moment the gun and when the drunk even sits in his car = the act was going to be commited. The difference is the drunk hasnt started his criminal journey, while the boy has already begun.[/quote:5b461]

so your saying if I sit in my van in my driveway and get drunk I should be locked up?[/quote:5b461]

Your in the process of driving and commiting the offence are you not ? Yes. unless you plan on telling a judge you enjoy getting wasted in your van. Which the judge would never buy. Just like saying this kid planned on only putting it in his back pack but never going to school with it. Duh.

Coleman · 04-04-2005, 02:11 PM

there's too much assuming in that logic.

Short Hand · 04-04-2005, 02:18 PM

no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car. You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.

Coleman · 04-04-2005, 02:24 PM

[quote="Short Hand":53a40]no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car. You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.[/quote:53a40]in a few states you're allowed to transport marijuana in your car as long as its intended for your personal use. Why wouldn't they assume that you're going to sell it to someone?

geRV · 04-04-2005, 02:28 PM

[quote=Coleman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":cd354

no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car. You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.

in a few states you're allowed to transport marijuana in your car as long as its intended for your personal use. Why wouldn't they assume that you're going to sell it to someone?[/quote:cd354]

Probably would depend on the amount, if you don't need a juggernaut to haul it about then you'd be ok probably biggrin:

Miscguy · 04-04-2005, 02:35 PM

[quote:69fc3]During questioning, the boy told officers he never planned to take the gun to school, Sharon said.[/quote:69fc3]

[quote:69fc3]The trade apparently was to have taken place at Sharon's house.[/quote:69fc3]

Rather than continuing to store it in the garage, put it somewhere its easily accessed. Somewhere un-suspicious, somewhere that if anyone saw you with the item it would seem normal. Rather than the two boys going out to the garage and then coming back into the house, which might seem a bit odd, or stur up questions.

What i dont get is why did the mom call the teacher? Why didnt she call oh i dont know, THE PARENT of the other kid. I mean her son obviously is willing to talk about the matter, it wouldnt be hard to get "lil jimmys" phone number/address and deal with it yourself.

Aside from the "theft" of the gun, which could be delt with by the grandfather, IE hitting, i dont see the crime. Sounds like a case of "pre-crime" They saw the posibility of it happening, prevented it, and yet are still having some form of litigation over it.

Frankly school needs to stay the hell out of kids lives except for the 6 or so hours that there actually there. This shit about how everything a kid does now in life some how gets him punished by his school is bullshit. So what you got a MIP on a saturday night, what the fuck does that have to do with your school. NOTHING, whats the point of suspending you? Punishment? Thats what i thought the POLICE would take care of with there fines and assorted torturous legal techneques. The way i see it, and i'll dig into my deep understanding of highschoolers/jrhigh kids minds, is that if you can go drinking and it gets you suspended (IE get out of school free card) arnt you truly winning twice? One, you get to drink, two, you wont have to go to school for a few days because they wont "let" you. The only downside is the police activity involved. Most kids wouldnt go to school if they didnt have to, so saying there not allowed to, well shit, thats a god aweful "punishment".