[Sgt>Stackem]

found this at another site and thought it was interesting:


We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that
context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest
book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal
was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march
across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American
Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
suicide.'"

1. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "Turn America into a bilingual
or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation
can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more
competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to
be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories
of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia,
Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press
for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.
Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with
Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

2. Lamm went on: "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to
maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all
cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make
it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due
to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation
is out of bounds.

3. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of
our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been
achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that
once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we
are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

4. Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own
language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the
salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various
cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences
rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

5. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

6. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would
invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of
'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success
was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry
blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

7. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical
precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and
literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in
t he Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty.. Yet
all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political
divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of
the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

8. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo
to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a
word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion
and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt
discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
multi-culturist, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would de velop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."

9. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous.. It exposes
the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be
destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every
discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric
cultures that practic e female genital mutilation are growing as we
celebrate 'diversity.'

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create
a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to
date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of
George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved
in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery,"
and "Ignorance is strength."



Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.

[KTOG]

I can agree with a few things, but some are just plain old ignorance. All things referring to bilingualism I can agree with. When everyone came over through Ellis Island they had to learn English or they would not get a job.

What I do not agree with is the man's views on cultures. We are supposed to remove everything they once believed in so the conform to the American Dream? That is total bs. Tell every Jewish family out there that they can't wear yamicas, tell every Italian family that they can't cook pasta, tell every hindu that they must eat cow. Sounds like bigotry to me.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by KTOG

I can agree with a few things, but some are just plain old ignorance. All things referring to bilingualism I can agree with. When everyone came over through Ellis Island they had to learn English or they would not get a job.

What I do not agree with is the man's views on cultures. We are supposed to remove everything they once believed in so the conform to the American Dream? That is total bs. Tell every Jewish family out there that they can't wear yamicas, tell every Italian family that they can't cook pasta, tell every hindu that they must eat cow. Sounds like bigotry to me.

I'm not sure that he was implying that we go that extreme when it comes to yamicas, pasta, and cows. I can see what he talking about when it comes to all of these "puerto rican pride" and "lebanese pride" parades. It is kind of annoying to have all of the people just flock in the street and flaunt about their culture. OK, I could stand it for a day which is totally acceptable, but the truth is it doesn't stop after that parade day. Most of them go around 24/7 yelling their heritage in your face, etc.

[KTOG]

Yeah, lets get rid of St. Patrick's day oOo:

[Sgt>Stackem]

Originally Posted by KTOG

Yeah, lets get rid of St. Patrick's day oOo:

dems fightin' words!!

[KTOG]

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BRINNNG IT ONNN!

[Madmartagen]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":4e811]found this at another site and thought it was interesting:


We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado.

omg what american doesnt know who he is????

In that
context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest
book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal
was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march
across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American
Dream.

this is already starting the topic by stating that these people are smart and therefore what they say should be construed and accepted as FACT.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
suicide.'"

No shit, no country lasts forever, how is the US any differant. I would also say that nations commit 'suicide' by fighting civil and foreign wars rather than accepting immigrants or culture clashes.

1. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "Turn America into a bilingual
or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation
can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more
competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to
be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

Since when is being diverse a curse? Tension, conflict and antagonism is brought by a few ignorant and racist people and vented out on minorities. This is just like saying that immigrants are bringinng all the pain and suffering onto themselves. Blame the victim. Canda and Europe have a much more diverse population than we do and have a much less 'problem' with mixing.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories
of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia,
Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press
for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.
Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with
Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Can the gf1.com members from Canada and Europe please ellaborate on the HUGE crisis facing your countries relating to multiculturalism? kthx.

2. Lamm went on: "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to
maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all
cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make
it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due
to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation
is out of bounds.

i think that has less to do with culture than it does with economics. poorer people have a less emphasis on education and are more concerned with surviving. some kids have to drop out so they can work or help out at home.

3. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of
our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been
achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that
once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we
are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

as opposed to intolerance? funny how that white settlers move into an area inhabited by mexicans and indians, take over the land import millions of slaves to work and then have the nerve to bitch and complain when that generosity isnt appreciated. fucking ungrateful darkies.

4. Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own
language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the
salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various
cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences
rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

the first generation usually maintains the original culture but the following generations almost always blend in. you cant wait a couple of years?

5. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

already addressed

6. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would
invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of
'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success
was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry
blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

who said anything about race or culture was a reason for being poor? is the word minority in this sense economic or cultural? poor people are angry about being poor,. it doesnt matter what culture they are. the speaker is assuming that poor people feel that they are poor because they are a minority, when poor people know they are poor because they dont have much money.

7. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other."

isnt it understandable for someone to have patriotism towards their birth country? is someone not able to love two or more countries? not all people are red, white and blue fags who have ribbons on their cars and eat hot dogs and apple pie. there is no defenition of american other than to live here and love it. who is this person to say that immigrants hate america?

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical
precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and
literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in
t he Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty.. Yet
all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political
divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of
the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

that is fucking ghey. there was no greece until the mid 1800s. in classical times there was macedonia, athens, sparta etc. the delian league was a net of city states or otherwise independent countries with their own customs and culture. mycenians and cypriots were not the same as athenians, macedonians and vice versa. greece fell to larger empires, not because of some kind of diversity.

8. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo
to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a
word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion
and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt
discussion and debate."

if you arent diverse than what are you? what happens to the people already here who are differant? diversity as opposed to what? forced assimilation? people being forced to live another kind of life? who makes the decision as to what kind of life you can live? who is going to define what an american life should be? nazism.

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
multi-culturist, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would de velop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."

if immigrants couldnt get jobs over here, then they wouldnt be coming over. companies pay them enough to get cheap labor and then try to upkeep the clean white imgage of america to appease people who are 'concerned' about the huge and overwhelming immigrant invasion that is seemingly everwhere. why, you cant even turn the corner w/o bumping into some heathen speaking some god forsaken language you never heard of. if wal mart payed immigrants the same wage as citizens, then there would be no incentive to hire them. if immigrants couldnt get jobs over here, then they wouldnt fuckin be here people.

9. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous.. It exposes
the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be
destroyed, don't read that book."

wonder how much funding he got for that plug in?

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every
discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric
cultures that practic e female genital mutilation are growing as we
celebrate 'diversity.'

a chilling fear. thats fucking great. wow, thats how smart these people are. some guy comes in and makes them scared of all the darkies. wasnt it said that these were some of the greatest minds in america? you guys might as well build bunkers in your home and fortify your starbucks. nothing makes an enemy more apparent by creating nameless, unjustified and faceless fear.

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create
a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to
date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of
George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved
in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery,"
and "Ignorance is strength."

war in iraq is peace. patriot and terror act is freedom. watching fox news is strength.

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.

shit, better get my gun....

speaking of the american dream, what is it? mine is to have a house and family. to live until im old and die at peace. is anyone here actually worried that immigrants are going to take that from you? have immigrants taken your job, your wife, your home, your well being? what is wrong with waking up every day, go to work, go to school, spend time with the family and friends, go to the movies, jack off to pr0n and take a nice long nap at the end of your day with your spouse? what do you care if someone gets a job you had no intention of applying for? that person is prolly just trying to do the same thing you are. live and let live mutha fuckers, live and let live.


[/quote:4e811][/i]

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by KTOG

Yeah, lets get rid of St. Patrick's day oOo:

that's f'in right! biggrin: There are so many people that are .0005% Irish and they sport the all-green attire on St. Patrick's day as they parade down the street yelling, "WOOOOOoOooo I'm Irish! Kiss me!". happy:

[Coleman]

I still don't understand how everyone makes such a huge deal about Fox News being right wing biased while almost every other media station is left winged bias. It is truely impossible to have a bias-free station, but what's with all of the bashing of Fox News?

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I still don't understand how everyone makes such a huge deal about Fox News being right wing biased while almost every other media station is left winged bias. It is truely impossible to have a bias-free station, but what's with all of the bashing of Fox News?

fox is more right wing patriotic bs. all news are biased and all major US news corp are conservative.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

fox is more right wing patriotic bs. all news are biased and all major US news corp are conservative.

don't tell me Lou Dobbs from CNN is conservative... happy:

[Stammer]

FOX is woefully biased; others like CNN and MSNBC try to pretend they don't have a bias by not touching important issues or covering stories that have relevance. No, they decide to spend a week analyzing the Michel Jackson case and talk about how there may be germs in your company office.

American media sucks.

On a side note, it's pretty sad when a half-an-hour, basic cable, fake news show is the only decent source of funny, information on TV.

And to touch base with this topic, I think the guy is a Fascist, and myopic fool who thinks the only way to solve world problems is to assimilate or die, instead of tolerate and understand.

EDIT: Coleman you find somthing biased becuase it questions what you beilive in.

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Coleman

don't tell me Lou Dobbs from CNN is conservative... happy:

seriously, CNN is conservative and biased just like any news network. Lou Dobbs is a financial reporter, reporters and anchorman just read what writers and producers have selected to air. the actual people who run news networks are conservative. theyre job is to get viewers via heart breaking stories and topics that attract a wide audience. the whole ratings system is how networks make money so they can sell that air time to people who pay for commercial airtime. some reporters are left and biased towards the left, but networks and their owners are conservative.

[Coleman]

[quote="$p!k3":17685]
EDIT: Coleman you find somthing biased becuase it questions what you beilive in.[/quote:17685]No, fox is biased just like all of the other stations. It's just a matter of which side they lean towards.

Madmartagen, i don't care what you say about this one, but I do think that the content that CNN airs is left from center. They'll show goofy pictures of Bush (don't give me crap about how Bush can ONLY look goofy and stupid because he is) and show some great picture of Kerry. They'll show clips out of content that make the speaker seem like they're making dubious claims.


EDIT: I just saw that CNN has Sen. Kerry on the show for his reaction to President Bush's speech about Iraq.

[Sgt>Stackem]

Fox is right and CNN is left if you cant see that dont watch the news or at least dont take thier "word" for fact