[Sgt>Stackem]

if you dont know of these guys they are American citizens patroling our southern border. Here is a couple of links to read up on them
http://americanpatrol.com/

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... rts02.html



I like the idea but it could get out of hand quickly.

here is President Fox's responce to the problem:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=43754

WASHINGTON – The Mexican army is escorting those attempting to cross over the U.S. border illegally – including known drug-runners – to areas not patrolled by the Minuteman Project near Naco, Ariz., say Border Patrol sources and other officials including a U.S. congressman.
Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, denounced the action by the Mexican military and called on President Bush to do the same.
"President Bush should publicly denounce Mexico's latest act to curb U.S. law," said Tancredo. "The president of Mexico is threatening to sue any member of the Minuteman who have contact with a Mexican national, threatening to take the U.S. into the International Court of Justice at the Hague

[Tripper]

The mexican army is escourting people? That's fucked up.

[TiberiusAD]

Personally, I think we should be welcoming these famillies.

Our country, in all of it's glory and pride was built by natives of other lands. For hundreds of years America has offered ANYBODY the opertunity to forfill thier dreams.
If I were in charge I would build a huge processing center in Texas for the sole purpose of dealing with imagrants. I would build a monument like the Statue of liberty on the Rio Grand and teach these people ENGLISH!

With the threat of terrorism so strong today in the US, I think that we could better control our borders by making it more welcoming for future citizens. This would dramatically reduce the desire to use risky, sometimes life-threating tatics to work in the US as an illegal.
Instead new imagrants could go through a process that identifies them, and provides the local and federal government with a true look at how many, and who has imigrated to our nation.

I live in a place that is overwelmed by people wanting desperatly to work, but are not in the country legally. They stand toghather in groups at gas stations and open parking lots waiting for some contractor to come along and hire them as day laborers for $20 a day.
And Contractors do come, and these poor people must bust thier ass for very little, while the contractor makes a killing.

What Congress, the American public, and State officials are missing is that we are experiancing a new "1800's" in terms of imagration. This time however they are not coming from Europe, they are coming from India, The Middle East, and of course Mexico and South America... Arguably some of the worst social places on the planet today.

It is my opinion that we should embrace the future generations of our country, not shun them away, as to say that we are better than anything they could offer.

My opinions are based on the knowledge of what previous generations of imigrants have done for this nation, and I can proudly say that I am Native American, but I am also Irish/Dutch/German.

[TiberiusAD]

Let me add to that last post... Undoubtably someone will think I don't understand the concerns Americans have against forien immigration.

The complaint I hear the most is a lack of common language, and I couldn't agree more. How frustrating is it to go to a gas station and the attendant cannot understand what you are saying, and vise versa.

English courses, or at least basic words and phrase understanding should be required.

Next would be the "Taking American jobs" which I touched on above. This is a big one for some folks, but the problem is not that these guys are willing to work for less... it is a problem of employers breaking the law.

But any way you say it, the problem is still there. The tricky part is the solution, not re-stateing the problem. And I think the best way to solve the problem is to give these folks the same rights as anyone else. This would eliminate the problem at it's core.

Short Version: We need to work with the people coming into this country, not against them.

[Unknown_Sniper]

if we allowed anyone who wanted to, to just walk into the country take a couple of classes and get a legal citizenship that would entitle them to low paying jobs. There are only so many positions available for work. Yes people retire every year, some quit etc. but they are replaced by college grads, people being promoted, and other kids who would like some money to pay for say their college education. Now imagine if a million immigrants showed up at our border over a period of a few days. can you imagine the chaos that would cause? All those teenagers who want a job wont be able to because single mexican moms will have rights that say they cant be denied a job. The lower income jobs will be flooded with people willing to work for minimum wage.
Now we also run into the problem of how do we deal with a million people showing up at once? We would have to feed them, house them, police them, teach them. That would take up a ton of resources. When people group together that like disease is often a common occurance. We cant vacinate that many people in a few days, we just simply dont have the supplies or man power. There would be mass amounts of death and disease and there would be unrest.
There would also be an economic problem. Imagine if thousands of people per day just walked out of mexico. Their economy would crash. No workers means no goods being produced, no goods being produced means no exports, no exports means no money, no money is very bad for a country. Mexico would then have its military block the border to stop people from leaving. This might cause a fight to break out between the people and the troops. A fight over something like this could turn into a civil war. The US Army cant just walk into mexico and help out in a war without some serious consequences.
Now that is just mexico. If we opened our borders we would also be taking people from Cuba, pacific islands, haiti, guam, china, all those places where there are problems. We just simply cant do that. We need to have our borders closed pretty tight. Sure people should have an oppertunity to life and all that but they should honestly try and find it wehre they are first. As is I dont see how our imigration policy is bad.

[ninty]

I've heard a lot about this, and read quite a few articles.

From an outsider, both sides seem a little messed up.

On one you have the President of Mexico basically saying that there should be no problem if his own Citizens want to cross over into the US illegially.

On the other side we have people who want to protect their own country and probably moreso their jobs, so we have them patrolling the border. It isn't the job of the citizens to really patrol the border. What happens when they spot someone? They say they call border patrol, but should we think that some other form of action could be taken by these people? I've also heard that some of them are armed. Thats an international incident waiting to happen.

I have more to say, but I have to go. WHL playoffs Round 2 baby!

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by ninty9

On one you have the President of Mexico basically saying that there should be no problem if his own Citizens want to cross over into the US illegially.

I think that is totally wrong of the mexican govt. That's not on. Next door governments shouldn't be condoning and/or supporting illegal actions towards their neighbours.

The way I see it, they're in the wrong. The U.S is just trying to protect borders which is absolutely valid, because ALOT of things can go wrong when you have people just flooding into your country wille-nillie.

I dunno, maybe alot of you americans see this in another light....

[Short Hand]

New zealand is surrounded by the sea.............

[Johnj]

It ruined our economy.

wallbash:

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Johnj

It ruined our economy.

wallbash:

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[Madmartagen]

dont see how illegals 'ruined' our economy, but it is offensive that the Mexican government is encouraging illegal crossing. But I also think its the State and Federal governments responsibility to patrol the borders, not a bunch of morons in pickup trucks and rifles. barely any patriotism in this logic, prolly an excuse for people to drive around with guns and to intimidate and hassle mexicans.

[Stammer]

I just wonder why they don't just join border patrol...oh wait thats right they arn't funded that well.

Originally Posted by USAToday

spending plan for 2006, which would provide $37 million to hire 210 Border Patrol agents. The intelligence reorganization bill Bush signed last year called for hiring 2,000 more agents a year over five years — nearly doubling the size of the Border Patrol.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... erns_x.htm

[Colonel]

I think the Minuteman idea was a great idea. As they say it is like a huge Neighborhood Watch program. I don't see any police departments screaming that the thousands of neighborhood programs in the US should be abolished. And it really is a neighborhood safety program for many of these people that live on the or near the border. Can you imagine what it is like for them living in fear that some group of hungry illegals are going to break into their homes or steal their property on the way past? Yes, it should be government's job to defend the borders. But they aren't. So this little "protest" is attracting the attention it was designed to.

As for President Fox, he should be ashamed. Like it or not we have immigration laws. The key word here is "illegal". Everybody talks about the "illegals" and what we should do blah, blah, blah. What their doing is illegal!!!!! Either change the law or throw them in jail. BS on deporting them back. Throw them in the slammer!! Make it impossible for them to send the dollars back to Mexico that President Fox so desperately wants that he is willing to ignore the danger his people put themselves in trying to cross the border.

It amazes me that anybody can have a problem with our own people guarding our own border. It's our border dagnabit!!!!! If you don't want us to round you up for crossing it....don't cross it!! If you are scared that the Minutemen will shoot you....don't cross it!!! It's pretty dang simple!!!

[Stammer]

Colonel why don't they just join the border patrol? Besides it isn't the police departments job to secure the border it's their job to arrest and turn in illegals.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Colonel

I think the Minuteman idea was a great idea. As they say it is like a huge Neighborhood Watch program. I don't see any police departments screaming that the thousands of neighborhood programs in the US should be abolished. And it really is a neighborhood safety program for many of these people that live on the or near the border. Can you imagine what it is like for them living in fear that some group of hungry illegals are going to break into their homes or steal their property on the way past? Yes, it should be government's job to defend the borders. But they aren't. So this little "protest" is attracting the attention it was designed to.

As for President Fox, he should be ashamed. Like it or not we have immigration laws. The key word here is "illegal". Everybody talks about the "illegals" and what we should do blah, blah, blah. What their doing is illegal!!!!! Either change the law or throw them in jail. BS on deporting them back. Throw them in the slammer!! Make it impossible for them to send the dollars back to Mexico that President Fox so desperately wants that he is willing to ignore the danger his people put themselves in trying to cross the border.

It amazes me that anybody can have a problem with our own people guarding our own border. It's our border dagnabit!!!!! If you don't want us to round you up for crossing it....don't cross it!! If you are scared that the Minutemen will shoot you....don't cross it!!! It's pretty dang simple!!!

i agree with most of that stuff