[Low spark]

Why the second of course;
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated milita, would not be of any use holed up in Montana, they need to have a vans to ensure our security of a free state . And might I suggest a Chevy Venture Warner Bros' edition. That way the can watch training videos while driving to save the country from the government..

[Sgt>Stackem]

[quote="Low spark":1f421]

You don't need a license and permit to own a gun in most cases. [/quote:1f421]

I need a (Federal) criminal backround check for every long gun I buy and a special purchase permit to purchase a handgun. You have to go to the local police dept to get the pistol permit. Then in order to get a carry permit you have to attend a special course and appear before a reveiw board. Its not like buying a box of cheerios. The illegal guns are the problem because there is no permit no training no nothing.
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[quote="Low spark":5521c][quote="Pfc.Green":5521c]You know what I am getting sick of, is this "Americas one big violent shit-hole" mentallity and its just is'nt true. Grant it theres high-crime areas and places where people live in fear, but what country can honestly say that they dont have those areas (repeat honestly) I've been many times into downtown Seattle day and night, never once have I feared for my life or felt the need to carry a gun, but if I felt the need to why should'nt I hmm? If I have a license and permits for my weapons, no criminal past...so on, why sdould'nt I carry a gun or own one? The problem is not the guns, the problem is the scumfucks who bloody well use them illegally and we have plenty of them. In a society where there is crime fairly high people should have the right to defend themselves, a person could be killed in the time it takes for the police to show up...or being armed they could defend themselves.[/quote:5521c]

Hmmm... Almost a good argument .... you need to work on it though, It can be used both ways.. If guns weren't so readily available, you would need one to defend yourself, there should'nt be high crime areas where people live in fear. You don't need a license and permit to own a gun in most cases. AND YES the problem is that they are used illegaly...
My suggestion is by a Bullet proof van(which you do need license, regertation and insurance to operate) and show those scumfucks whose boss.
In the end this is a never ending aurgement for this country, until we can make a deadly more efficent weapon to mass produce and sell to the public, the gun debate will rage. Get used to it Green[/quote:5521c]

uh, how do drugs get into the US?
now can criminals get guns the same way?

you see if you ban guns only honest citizens will not have any.

[Old Reliable]

my stance on gun control: keep it out of the hands of morons

[negative]

[quote="Old Reliable":64ab6]my stance on gun control: keep it out of the hands of morons[/quote:64ab6]

uhh-well i think thats the point of this whole thread-
but its harder than that-how do you decide who is a moron?

[Old Reliable]

background checks, less gun shows

[negative]

so the gvt doesnt already give backround checks?? uhh

[Simo Häyhä]

your a weird kid fluffy

[Low spark]

Originally Posted by negative

so the gvt doesnt already give backround checks?? uhh

They do crimminal background checks, not moron background checks.

[quote:91e02] you see if you ban guns only honest citizens will not have any[/quote:91e02]
I like that, thats even better than "Guns don't kill people, people do"

How about "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers"