The Bug

Ever · 01-25-2002, 03:49 AM

that's what I call it: The Bug.

makes you do stuff like this: change your weapon (mostly from primary to pistol, sometimes to grenade); throw away you weapon; fire weapon (sometimes once, sometimes more, sometimes empties 2-3 magazines!); stuck, can't move; shivering; look straight up or down. not all this occurs at once, usually a combination (like: get stuck for a moment, fire once primary weapon and change to secondary then).

happens when and where? multiplayer. I've seen it in the mpdemo, I was really disappointed to see it in the full version. it does not happen in all servers, but... it happened in some servers with the demo, it's happening in most servers i visit with the full vers! it's not always there, it "comes and goes". for example last night I played in a swedish server with 32 ppl, all went well for about 2-3 hours and then... The Bug came... ppl started having problems. stuck, shivering, weapon change, sudden firing (which is really annoying if you shoot your own teammate). i saw this coming&going again today: was a nice play in a server and then it slowly started to turn into hell... first was just a moment of being stuck... might have believed it was a lag... then came weapon change and sudden shooting. and in some time... maybe hour, maybe more/less... it was gone (or was not so much more).

i've been talking to ppl about this... first of all: i'm not the only one to get such abnormal behaviour... (Mange posted a thread here about it last night... was named "couple of mp bugs" or smth like that) it is clearly to see in some maps where all the allies start together (like The Hunt), start running along the road and then everybody is stuck, fires weapons and some look up (or down). the stuckness usually happens for about a second, sometimes more. ppl have it, but they don't know what it is...

the ones who think they know usually say it is whether a a) lag or b) cheat(er).

a) i don't believe it.
b) might be, but connected to a bug, i believe.

well... hard to believe it is a lag... what lag makes you throw away you weapon?

cheat? well, i could imagine someone using a cheat and through bugs or flaws in the game's code cause lots of trouble for other players... an argument for this is also the "coming&going" of The Bug... but in that case... wouldn't it still be a bug? i hardly believe EA/2015 intentionally left such a feature in the game. on the other hand... i'm not too sure it's a cheat-bug. in my long time of playing mohaa (since the demo came out) i've rarely seen someone cheat (the times where i've been really sure about the person cheating). to be honest: only once! (the other time was when the host of the server was trying out a custom skin and therefore was invisible for others... he was really sorry and corrected that quickly).

all that said, i'd conclude that there is a major bug in the game... in the multiplayer part of the game. The Bug.

can anybody maybe say anything about this? does anybody know more? a way to fix this?

i'd like to report this all to the game's developer... but i'm too lazy to search for a report-bugs-e-mail-address...

Ever · 01-25-2002, 09:18 AM

oh, nice.... has really noone seen this bug before?!?

knight0 · 01-25-2002, 09:27 AM

i know what you're talking about. i just attributed it to the server freakin' out. it can be pretty amusing though. you find the enemy. you both prepare to fire. suddenly, you both stare at your own nuts, while switching to a hand grenade. if only wars were actually fought like this.

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-=Ultimate-Soldier=- · 01-26-2002, 10:26 AM

yea this happens to me alot in singleplayer also, the guns will switch for no reason and sometimes i wont be able to turn left and right at all it will just stick for a few seconds. This never happened to me be4 in the demos just with full version.

Ever · 01-27-2002, 05:08 AM

BUMP

or smth..

hitman · 01-27-2002, 05:23 AM

this happend to me too. i was stuck, change weapon to grenade, and throw a nade killed my self

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hitman · 01-27-2002, 05:31 AM

and look at these pict i've took from mp.

im holding stg44, notice it tilt to the right

reloading that weired gun

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Crow King · 01-27-2002, 05:47 AM

I can tell you what some of these are.....

1. Looking Up / Down: This seems to be an issue for folks with optical mice. I used to experience it alot and then I changed mouse pads at the suggestion of someone who also had had the problem. Worked like a charm.

2. Continous Shooting: This seems to be a Quake issue since it also occurs in other games based on the Quake engine (ie. RtCW). I'm assuming they're using the same multiplayer code.

3. Weapon Changing / Throw Away Weapon: Not the faintest clue - I've never had it happen.

4. Shivering: This seems to be related to the continuous shooting issue - I've never seen it without also having the continous shooting (though I have seen the shooting issue without the shaking). I have not seen this in other quake based games.

These do seem to be multiplayer issues. I can only remember experiencing continous shooting once in single play, but I've seen it alot in multiplay (I played the sp demo about 1/2 as much as the mp demo, so maybe that is why).

I've also seen folks blame it on lag, but I agree, these are bugs. I know the quake code uses an optimizer to try to reduce lag by guessing where you'll be and when (which is why folks sometimes bounce around - its not technically lag, just the code guessing wrong and re-setting them to their right location). But auto shooting? That may be the server farting - I haven't yet read through the pak server side scripts, but there may be some funky stuff in there for MoHAA.

Crow King

Ever · 01-27-2002, 06:02 AM

updates on The Bug:
just came from another server that had The Bug. i know this server was up for quite many hours, the host left about some 4-5, maybe more hours ago... i was in the server when the host left and left the server running. nothing was wrong then. i did some other things in the meanwhile and when i came back, The Bug was there. strange.. i'm pretty sure the server/game wasn't restarted in the meanwhile. therefore: might it be that The Bug is coming in time? is the server "getting old and tired" in some hours after been set up? strange...

another thing i noticed... weapon-change was there in this server. but it happened like this: i'm in a dogfight with another person, i use the allies smg. weapon changes right at the moment when i kill the enemy! very strange, happened about 5 times. and it changed to grenade. never seen this before...

Ever · 01-27-2002, 06:06 AM

btw, Crow King, i'm using an optical mouse... Logitech... you think the up/down thing might be connected to optical mouse? what should i do? i'm using an old newspaper for mousepad :-P

continuous shooting... well, i haven't played rtcw for some time anymore, but i don't remember continuous shooting being there... and dunno if they're using the same multiplayer code, i've heard lots of ppl being very unsatisfied with mohaa's netcode.

Crow King · 01-27-2002, 07:00 AM

Ever - I've had the continous shooting problem in RtCW, but not as much as I've had it in MoHAA. Kinda freaked me out the first time it happened (and I only play FF RtCW, which can be a real problem - got me bootprints in the backside on more than one occasion).

Re: mouse, get a mousepad that has all one color / surface reflection. You'll never have the problem again! If only all the issues had such easy cures....

Crow King

Ever · 01-28-2002, 02:49 AM

Kibbles, the picture you gave... i've seen this bug twice.
the server changed maps after some rounds at Omaha, next is The Bridge. when i arrive (as an allies player) and run for the bridge... THERE'S NO BRIDGE! i told about this problem to the other ppl in the server and nobody else said the one was having it. i got killed soon. when the next round started on the same map, the bridge was there.

next time i saw this... don't remember if it was on the same server or not, but i do remember that i ran over the bridge (that was not there). so i guess it's just a visual bug... the bridge is there but not visible. and it should be gone with by next round.

Machine_Gunner · 01-28-2002, 04:07 AM

i think half is from the lag which makes your game move people objects and weapons change positions and the bug up top is not a bug it is the teleporting cheat were he is about to fall

Ever · 01-28-2002, 08:00 AM

ok, now i'm absolutely sure this looking straight up/down is not an optical mouse issue. it must a part of The Bug, because:
today i played in a server where the bug was for quite a short time (strange...). at one moment all players looked up/down (some up, some down). i observed most of my teammates because i had just been killed and was in spect mode. after this i asked ppl if they all got optical mice. no, of course. some had, some not, but all seemed to have trouble with looking straight up or down.

[This message has been edited by Ever (edited January 28, 2002).]

Ever · 01-28-2002, 08:01 AM

thanks, but... dunno if i'll do that... i like my mousepad to be "writable"... meaning, if i get a good thought or something important, i can write it down and not worry about it getting lost too soon. i've got about 10 server addresses, some http addresses, phonenumbers and other pointless stuff written down on that newspaper i use as mousepad

actually, i'd say this could be a business-idea for mousepad-makers.... who wants to buy my idea?! =D