[Partisan]

Of course there were some that were sorry, but majority was happy to see jews treated that way, especially because they saw them as rich people who are taking German wealth and jobs, and who are fundamentally different from Germans.

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"Sloboda ili smrt" ( Death or freedom)

[Bürgen]

OK, we need to get off this topic before one of us gets a flight over to another's house and beats the crap out of someone. Let's just leave it at:
I am a student of the Human and Military aspects of germany between 1933 and 1945
RS is polish and has his own interests and views the subject at hand differently
And Partisan, where did you come in?

*Hugs for everybody, and passes a Bierstein around as an offering of good faith*

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"Victory at any Price!"

SS-Panzergrenadier

[Bürgen]

By the way, it was czech bier...
(that stuff is quite good I must say)

[Partisan]

Well I studied Fascism and Anti-Fascism course at University and my relatives fought against germans in WW2, so I'm interested in this topic. That is why I got involved in your argument. Anyway, it wasn't personal just exchanging of opinions and that is what makes messageboards interesting.

Cheerioo!

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"Sloboda ili smrt" ( Death or freedom)

[Recycled Spooge]

Hey, just because I'm Polish doesn't mean you should ignore my opinions, or that I'm going to be automaticaly harsh on the Germans! But when you say that almost nobody agreed with Hitler and the Nazi party(or made it seem like nobody did), I'm gonna disagree with you because it's not true.

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[Bürgen]

you see, that is why we have differing opinions! you have contact with mostly people who fought against germany, where as I have spoken to mostly german veterans and citizens of the period. (we seem to accumulate them in this area, there was a large Canadian POW camp just across the boarder not too far from here)

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"Victory at any Price!"

SS-Panzergrenadier

[Bürgen]

hey I didn't mean to sound as if a polish person's views aren't accurate, I just meant that your view of history has been influenced, for better or worse, to reflect that polish ethnicity.

BTW, if I didn't like poles, I wouldn't be dating a girl who's grandmother moved here from Krakau.

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"Victory at any Price!"

SS-Panzergrenadier

[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 18, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 18, 2001).]

[Bürgen]

Why are we still arguing?!? I passed the Beer around!

[Partisan]

Here is a story: my grandma and her unit didn't have weapons to fight Germans. So they went to local gorge and pushed large boulders at two German armoured cars. They were stoped in tracks, German soldiers were killed by boulders or by axes and bare hands, and my grandma's unit for the first time got some real weapons.

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"Sloboda ili smrt" ( Death or freedom)

[Von Paulus]

Here's a short story about my Great-Grandfather, who was serving in Nth Africa during Rommels campaign to take Tobruk...

My G-G (great-grandfather) was part of a scouting party, It was getting dark and so they stopped for the night and built fortifications (a small trench and a pit to sleep in...My G-G and he's friend couldn't fit in the pit so they had to sleep in the trench, a few hours after dark they met light fire from a german patrol but were backed up by another Australian patrol and the attack was repulsed, It was during early morn when a Panzer and German Infantry advanced over the position, they drove over the trench and buried my G-G and his friend...luckily for the others they were able to halt the tanks advance by throwing grenades into the tank and destroying the crew, unfortunatley, they knocked the tank out right on top of the trench, and it was 3 hours before they could dig my G-G and his friend out... They were both alive

[Von Paulus]

This story has no "blood and guts" (K, you've probably stopped reading) but my G-Grandmother served as an Australian Army Nurse before and during the War (where she was stationed in the Pacific for around 2 years), then after the war, she took my father and his brother to the Australian War Memorial...They wouldn't let her in because she was wearing pants...She explained that she was a nurse who'd worn pants all her god damn life and was taking her sons to see the memorial...But the door-man replied with "Ladies don't wear pants" and was refused entry... The whole time she was wearing at least 4 of the medals during her time in battle... Cheap Bastards...

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"The Battle of France is over...the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire."
-Winston Churchill, Summer 1940

[Grabowski]

my grandad was a Gunnery Sgt, USMC in WW2. He was on patrol in okinawa with about 7 or 8 others, on a jungleside path, when suddenly, japanese ambushed and attacked from the jungle. they all took cover in a crater, and they fought, and the radioman was talking to HQ, and he was behind my grandpa. my grandpa peeked his head up, a shot rang out at him, he ducked down. He looked back, and the radioman's head was almost completly hollow fom the head wound. when the fight was over, they counted 6 japanese bodies. my grandpa accounted for 3 of them

[Bürgen]

There is a german veteran of the panzer korps. He was 17 when he was assigned as the kommanduer of a Panther in 1945. He was then posted to poland during the fighting retreat. While his convoy rested in a small polish town, a massive russian artilery barrage came in. He was standing out of the coupla of the turret when the first rounds hit. A shell from the inital wave hit very near to his tank and a large piece of shrapnell, said to be 10cm in length, punctured his cheek, landing in his mouth. He was thrown down into the body of the tank, saving him from any other wounds. When it was all over he and his crew emerged to see that little of the town was left. He was later just patched up and sent back to the front.

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"Victory at any Price!"

SS-Panzergrenadier

[Grabowski]

In a book Ive been reading, Citizen Soldiers, there was this GI nicknamed Junior, and he killed any german he could find, POW or otherwise. There was about 20 pows rounded up in a secluded area, and when Junior came up with his BAR, he killed all of them. another time, in a bombed out town, they were rounding up POWs, and he was jogging by, and he ran by a german with ihs hands up, bowing, and saying "Kmorade! Komrade!" Junior just kept on jogging, and while he ran by, he pulled his .45 and shot him in the face.

[Bürgen]

that f*cker deserves to fry