[Arkan]

Maybe the families want to chip in and buy a nuke and blow those fuckers to hell where they belong !! Thats what i think!!

[BallisticWookie]

Originally Posted by ninty9

This is the article off the main page of cnn.com.

I find it kind of greedy that families of victims ask for money, don't you? Why should the government be compensating? Shouldn't it come out of the pocket os Osama bin Laden and his family? I know in all major tradigies government payout is common, not just in this case, but it doesn't really make sense to me.

[quote:1e727]WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Acknowledging the odds are against them, relatives of the September 11 attacks filed a 15-count, $1 trillion lawsuit Thursday against the company run by Osama bin Laden's family, Saudi Arabian princes and Sudan.

The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by more than 600 family members, plus some firefighters and rescue workers.

Calling themselves Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism, the plaintiffs are suing seven international banks; eight Islamic foundations, charities and their subsidiaries; individual terrorist financiers; the Saudi bin Laden Group; three Saudi princes; and the government of Sudan for allegedly bankrolling the terrorist al Qaeda network, Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.

The Saudi bin Laden Group is the construction company operated in Saudi Arabia by Osama bin Laden's brothers. Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudi Arabian, the FBI has said.

Deena Burnett, whose husband, Tom, was killed on hijacked Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, expressed optimism about the challenge at a news conference.

It's up to us, and I think we can do it," she said. "It's up to us to bankrupt the terrorists and those who finance them so they will never again have the resources to commit such atrocities against the American people as we experienced on September 11."

Co-lead counsel for the lawsuit is attorney Allen Gerson, one of the attorneys who negotiated a $2.7 billion settlement between the Libyan government and families of 270 people killed when Pam Am Flight 103 was blown up over Scotland in 1988.

Among the allegations in the complaint, said attorney Ron Motley, are that certain members of the Saudi royal family have been active supporters of and helped fund al Qaeda and bin Laden.

The attorneys and investigators were able to obtain, through French intelligence, the translation of a secretly recorded meeting between representatives of bin Laden and three Saudi princes in which they sought to pay him hush money to keep him from attacking their enterprises in Saudi Arabia, Motley said.

Burnett's father in law, Thomas E. Burnett Sr., who also spoke at the news conference, said the group was "taking unprecedented legal action against those whose money financed the unspeakable evil that occurred on that tragic day."

Matt Sellitto, whose 23-year-old son Matthew died at the World Trade Center, told reporters: "His loss is incomprehensible to me. My heart continues to ache and will ache for the rest of my life."

"If the odds are stacked against us, we will beat them," Sellitto said. "And we will pursue this action until justice is served and terrorism is stopped."

Matthew Sellitto worked at the Cantor Fitzgerald brokerage house on the 105th floor of One World Trade Center.

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The best of luck to them. Or, George W could just take over Saudi Arabia while he's doing over Iraq, would solve a few problems aswell. I said it once and I'll say it again, Saudi Arabia are in bed with Iraq and terrorism and none of them can be trusted.

[FWB]

Originally Posted by BallisticWookie

The best of luck to them. Or, George W could just take over Saudi Arabia while he's doing over Iraq, would solve a few problems aswell. I said it once and I'll say it again, Saudi Arabia are in bed with Iraq and terrorism and none of them can be trusted.

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bin Laden is Saudi, but the country itself is still very much in the hands of the US (which is one of the reasons he's so pissed off at them). It took a lot, and I mean a lot, of guts for them to turn around and tell the Americans to get lost in an invasion of Iraq.

[BallisticWookie]

Still very much in the hands of the US ?? You're proof please. They have been found to be paying families of Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel, they had a goddamn telecast raising money for them for christ sake. It took them guts did it ?? Sure it did.

And I know very well that bin Laden is Saudi, I didnt just read up on this stuff 5 minutes ago.

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how can you guys be so nieve? you think they're just doing this for money? im sure no amount of money could make up for the loss of your son, husband, daughter whatever. This is just a retalliation against people whom they think funded it since a lot of them cant just join the military and go over and fight, they see it as the next best thing to do something like this. yea, its a bad idea and probably wont work but i cant help but feel bad for them... about a year ago we all prayed for them, and now you just call them money grubbers? Also a lot of them lost the ones making money for their family, and im sure the relief funds didnt get to every single family, but i do think a multi-trillion dollar lawsuit is out of hand

[FWB]

Originally Posted by BallisticWookie

Still very much in the hands of the US ?? You're proof please. [/b]

lol. The American forces stationed there for one thing.

EDIT: Just to show you that they are there:

http://www-sa.arcent.army.mil/

This is also interesting:
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/causes/saudiarabia.html

[quote:4e5ba]They have been found to be paying families of Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel, they had a goddamn telecast raising money for them for christ sake. It took them guts did it ?? Sure it did.[/quote:4e5ba]

Who found them to be paying the bombers?

A few have. Chances are that those groups will also be, by some huge conincidence, not so supportive of America's control in the country.

[quote:4e5ba]And I know very well that bin Laden is Saudi, I didnt just read up on this stuff 5 minutes ago.[/quote:4e5ba]

Hmm... why did you feel the need to say that? You don't need to justify yourself to me. Makes me wonder...

[FWB]

[quote="Tool-back":97207]how can you guys be so nieve? you think they're just doing this for money? im sure no amount of money could make up for the loss of your son, husband, daughter whatever. This is just a retalliation against people whom they think funded it [/quote:97207]

Then I'll ask my question again:

Hasn't the US government already closed down suspected terrorist accounts and taken the cash? Arguing that you're doing it to get at the terrorists is thus a poor point.

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i doubt the government has closed down these saudi princes accounts or whatever, but im saying that people shouldnt be calling these people money grubbers, and greedy. they lost loved ones, a lot of them lost their income because their husband/wife was killed, the one making the money for the family. some still do need money, not a trillion+ they lost loved ones, its not about the money, they're just trying to do something, and hey itd help the war effort, but please dont call these people greedy.

WASHINGTON (Aug. 15) - Vowing to avenge the murder of their loved ones, relatives of about 900 people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks filed a lawsuit on Thursday against three Saudi princes, several foreign banks and Sudan's government for allegedly funding Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida network.

i thimk if that happened thered be a little more uprising from the saudis

[FWB]

Well as I said, I can't really judge them since I'm not in their position. I can accept that maybe the money is used as comfort, but I'm really not sure about arguing its to stop the terrorists.

However, what about other victims of suffering? What about the poor family whose breadwinner is gunned down in LA? Do they get to sue?

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i see it as when something of that magnitude happens, its more than just a murder, its thousands combined, and they see large groups responsible for this, which they intend to go after. and im not saying they should get money cause some were killed, like whenyou use that LA story, im saying a lot of them had spouses who were earning the income, and when they died the other had nothing.... if a wifes husband was there, he was the only working one in the family as she stayed home with the kids, then it happens, what is the wife to do with her young kids? I think they should definitly be compensated, and as you said with the LA thing, that was aimed towards a person, and the WTC was aimed towards the US, thats what makes it sdo different.

[FWB]

[quote="Tool-back":1773e]im saying a lot of them had spouses who were earning the income, and when they died the other had nothing.... if a wifes husband was there, he was the only working one in the family as she stayed home with the kids, then it happens, what is the wife to do with her young kids?[/quote:1773e]

Well you're making a few assumptions that:

a) They were all male breadwinners who died
b) They were all married
c) They all had kids
d) They all had their other-halves sitting at home doing nothing

That's assuming quite a lot. The family in LA is in the same situation, probably worse. Those working in the WTC were probably covered by life insurence and their spouses/families would've got a nice pay out. The poor families in the poverty areas of the country have no such luxery.

I think I'm more and more inclined to believe that this is a knee-jerk reaction, fuelled by American society's obsession with suing and its therapeutic solution: the emotivist ethic.

[quote:1773e]I think they should definitly be compensated, and as you said with the LA thing, that was aimed towards a person, and the WTC was aimed towards the US, thats what makes it sdo different.[/quote:1773e]

Do you value the symbolic idea of the US above a human life? I accept that it certainly is seen to be more important by most people. That's where I'd disagree with you. The US means little without human beings/life, the ideas do not exist, they are just socially constructed. I view that LA person's life just as important as any of those in the WTC.

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I think I'm more and more inclined to believe that this is a knee-jerk reaction, fuelled by American society's obsession with suing and its therapeutic solution: the emotivist ethic.



I can agree with that partly.

Also the thing about the LA persons life being the same as any other Americans, i also agree with that. i was saying i just see that when the whole US gets attacked theres more oppurtunities for something like this, whereas when 1 person is murdered theres not really much you can do.
And i wasnt making that assumption for everyone in the WTC at that time, just saying there were some and was using it as an example.. there also could havebeen regular LA people there too on that day. Im not saying the sueing is right or wrong, the only reason i posted on this topic was it got me mad when people called them greedy money grubbers...they have 900+ people helping them, they're doing it for revenge, and if they get it good for them and i hope if ift happens the money can just bring them a little comfort for whast theyve lost, and dont go stereotyping them all because if someone like that got that much money id bet a lot of them would use it to help others

ahh, its 4, i sleep now

[BallisticWookie]

Originally Posted by FWB

lol. The American forces stationed there for one thing.

EDIT: Just to show you that they are there:

http://www-sa.arcent.army.mil/

This is also interesting:
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/causes/saudiarabia.html

[quote:17fa4]They have been found to be paying families of Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel, they had a goddamn telecast raising money for them for christ sake. It took them guts did it ?? Sure it did.

Who found them to be paying the bombers?

A few have. Chances are that those groups will also be, by some huge conincidence, not so supportive of America's control in the country.

[quote:17fa4]And I know very well that bin Laden is Saudi, I didnt just read up on this stuff 5 minutes ago.[/quote:17fa4]

Hmm... why did you feel the need to say that? You don't need to justify yourself to me. Makes me wonder...[/quote:17fa4]

Ofcourse theres Troops stationed there. That doesnt mean the Saudi Government have to answer every beck and call of the US Government.

No-one in the Middle East likes US involvement and policy there, thats been known since before the Gulf War when bin Laden was pissed that the Saudi Government chose to call America and forgot about the Mujahideen who fought off the Russians, but thats another story.

[quote:17fa4]And I know very well that bin Laden is Saudi, I didnt just read up on this stuff 5 minutes ago.[/quote:17fa4]

Why did I say that ?? Because you felt it necessary to lecture about bin Ladens origins when I already knew, thats why. Makes you wonder ?? Dont piss me off pal.

The USA has admitted to failing to prevent this from happening. They admitted that had there been more communication between FBI offices that the events of 9-11. So I think they would have a legible claim for wrongful death. Unlike FWB having to jump to conclusions. It is a fact that alot of people in the WTC did have families who were left without any means of support.

Also I recently recieved an email telling everyone to, at 12pm put your hand on your heart and say the pledge of alliegence. This sickens me because of the fact that it was the world trade centers and that people from all over the world died.

[FWB]

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":b2145]The USA has admitted to failing to prevent this from happening. They admitted that had there been more communication between FBI offices that the events of 9-11. So I think they would have a legible claim for wrongful death.[/quote:b2145]

So you blame the government? Although they may have been slow to react, directly they weren't the guys flying the plane into the building.

There's a habit of just suing when something goes wrong. The parents of victims of school shootings taking games companies to court are a prime example of this. They just don't think things through.

[quote:b2145]Unlike FWB having to jump to conclusions. It is a fact that alot of people in the WTC did have families who were left without any means of support.[/quote:b2145]

Can provide a link, and something that doesn't just simply say it, but offers evidence? I'd also like to know why no one is making a fuss about the everyday guy who gets killed in the cities of the US and the families who can't sue.

[quote:b2145] Also I recently recieved an email telling everyone to, at 12pm put your hand on your heart and say the pledge of alliegence. This sickens me because of the fact that it was the world trade centers and that people from all over the world died.[/quote:b2145]

I'm with you there. It is all this alliegence, God, our country is better than yours, that got us into this mess in the first place. How about just remembering the dead and putting this nationalism crap to one side?