[Short Hand]

[quote=Ferich]

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":be289

I think the whole point of this is "The so called Good Guys", are doing some nasty things. Nations such as the US, Britain, Australia, EVEN Canada.. should be able to prevent their armed forces from commiting acts like these. Surely you wouldn't compare a modern USA to a nation such as 18th/19th Century France, or Nazi Germany.... We can not expect the same from "insurgents", Terrorism is their way of fighting back...... Terrorism is the cowards way of fighting. rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with comparing Armies from different eras. Especially armies from a war that ended less than 60 years ago. As of right now, you really have no full scale modern war to compare this one too.So really, what are you comparing these travesties too? Nothing. So what's wrong with comparing them to the lastest wars? Even though they're 40-60 years ago. Also I'm comparing the human aspect and bodycount of war, not the political atmospheres of the past which would be wrong. I can agree with you though.


( not talking to short specially anymore )



Some groups are obviously blind to the advances the United States has made in their Military, when it comes to lower casualities and civilian bodycount over the past 35 years. I'm curious to see a different modern military occupy Iraq and what would come out of it. And just as the United States advanced before, I'm sure they will again to insure some of these things never happen again. But I don't think pointing the finger at them is smart or realistic. A few people shouldn't reflect a whole Military.

The Iraq War is the largest war in over 40 years. The majority of the responsibility in this war falls solely in the United States hands, which didn't have many fans throughout the world even before it. This war is hard for the rich "good guys" because they're trying their damndest not to fuck up horribly in an unconvential/policing war , even though majority of modern military units are trained for convential warfare. Was it a mistake for the United States to go at this war without the UN ( for policing )? Yes. Do I think this is one of the dumbest and pointless wars ever? Yes. But too fucking bad, the war is a couple years into it. We need to concentrate on the positive and let the respected people take care of the morons. Personally I think the US has done a decent job with the little help they've had.[/quote:be289]

I know you can not prevent all forms of human rights violation in a zone under such heavy fighting as Iraq is.. But you have" to admit that Abu Gharab prison fiasco was "very" preventable. No one has even taken accountability for it up higher in the chain of command. Rummy should have written up a letter and resigned for such an act. Yet he still parades himself in the whitehouse.

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[quote="Short Hand":a7dc3][quote=Ferich]

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":a7dc3

I think the whole point of this is "The so called Good Guys", are doing some nasty things. Nations such as the US, Britain, Australia, EVEN Canada.. should be able to prevent their armed forces from commiting acts like these. Surely you wouldn't compare a modern USA to a nation such as 18th/19th Century France, or Nazi Germany.... We can not expect the same from "insurgents", Terrorism is their way of fighting back...... Terrorism is the cowards way of fighting. rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with comparing Armies from different eras. Especially armies from a war that ended less than 60 years ago. As of right now, you really have no full scale modern war to compare this one too.So really, what are you comparing these travesties too? Nothing. So what's wrong with comparing them to the lastest wars? Even though they're 40-60 years ago. Also I'm comparing the human aspect and bodycount of war, not the political atmospheres of the past which would be wrong. I can agree with you though.


( not talking to short specially anymore )



Some groups are obviously blind to the advances the United States has made in their Military, when it comes to lower casualities and civilian bodycount over the past 35 years. I'm curious to see a different modern military occupy Iraq and what would come out of it. And just as the United States advanced before, I'm sure they will again to insure some of these things never happen again. But I don't think pointing the finger at them is smart or realistic. A few people shouldn't reflect a whole Military.

The Iraq War is the largest war in over 40 years. The majority of the responsibility in this war falls solely in the United States hands, which didn't have many fans throughout the world even before it. This war is hard for the rich "good guys" because they're trying their damndest not to fuck up horribly in an unconvential/policing war , even though majority of modern military units are trained for convential warfare. Was it a mistake for the United States to go at this war without the UN ( for policing )? Yes. Do I think this is one of the dumbest and pointless wars ever? Yes. But too fucking bad, the war is a couple years into it. We need to concentrate on the positive and let the respected people take care of the morons. Personally I think the US has done a decent job with the little help they've had.[/quote:a7dc3]

I know you can not prevent all forms of human rights violation in a zone under such heavy fighting as Iraq is.. But you have" to admit that Abu Gharab prison fiasco was "very" preventable. No one has even taken accountability for it up higher in the chain of command. Rummy should have written up a letter and resigned for such an act. Yet he still parades himself in the whitehouse.[/quote:a7dc3]

the officers in charge of the prison should be standing trial , but thats how the military works