| Offtopic Any topics not related to the games we cover. Doesn't mean this is a Spam-fest. Profanity is allowed, enter at your own risk. | 
	 
	 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 8,546 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: I don't know 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-21-2002, 10:43 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		Yeah, quit copying the germans! 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 1,019 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: Heading towards my couch for a free lap dance 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-21-2002, 10:47 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		
	Quote: 
	
	
		| 
			
				 
					Originally Posted by Vance1
					
				 
				Abrams: 
[img]http://www.squadron.com/old/M1A1%20PageMill/M1A1-1.jpg[/img] 
 
Leopard: 
[img]http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/Leopard-2-Austere-Version-C.jpg[/img] 
 
 
 
 
 
Copycats! 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 Actually the Leopard you see there first came off the production line in 1979, while the first Abrams came off the line in 1980.
 
Of course, I don't know who you were calling copycats. oOo:  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Guest 
				
				
					
		
			
			
				
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-21-2002, 10:55 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		
	Quote: 
	
	
		| 
			
				 
					Originally Posted by Strik0r
					
				 
				don't diss the dice 
 
haven't you ever seen those movies where the dice can be used as concussion grenades? 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 loaded dice  biggrin: 
 
sounds like a 3 stooges gag  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 4,202 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: Queensland, Australia 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 12:25 AM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		Believe it or not, these so called "rail guns" and "laser cannons" do exist, and have been under development for some years now. 
 
Australia uses Leapord Tanks, they are of the old variant, but still are quite cool. Hopefully they will get armour upgrades and cannon upgrades in the future, God knows they need it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 12,585 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: Staten Island, NY, USA 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 05:45 AM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		I still gurantee that a Leopard 2 would get torn apart in battle by an M2 Abrams. It has radioactive armor, and DU (Depleted Uranium) rounds. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 4,202 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: Queensland, Australia 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 07:48 AM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		[quote="ST_Bazooka_Joe":1e722]It has radioactive armor, and DU (Depleted Uranium) rounds.[/quote:1e722] 
 
Radioactive Armour ?? eek:  Dont you mean Reactive Armour ? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 8,546 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: I don't know 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 07:54 AM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		LOL, Leopards have RA too. Besides, if both of them can knock out a t-80 effectively, does anything else really matter? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Major General 
				
				
					
		
			
				
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 14,130 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 12:40 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		True that wook my friends uncle lives in the back woods somewhere and he has huge property, and the gov't asked to rent out some land from him. And he heard alot of noises, and when they left he went to where they were and he had old bvurned out cars back there, and now they have holes bigger than bullet holes with burn marks around them, like a laser or rail gun hit it  ed: 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 1,237 
                
				Join Date: Jan 2002 
				Location: Click Click Boom.. 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
						
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 12:46 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		well, i really dont buy it. Id just like to say two things. 1: most of the information about the M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams tanks is classified, no one knows our armor concotion, the us govt never released a top speed etc...so any aligation against the abrams is false because no one but the petagon and defense contractors know the real capeablities of the Abrams. 
Now here is a true story:
 
My friends dad works with two guys who commanded and drove M1A1 abrams tanks in the Gulf War. Now, during operation desert shield, in Saudi Arabia they would drag race the abrams. Now, the released speed is like 40 MPH but these guys said the tank was doing 90 + MPH and i belive em.
 
id put my money on the Abrams any day    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		     |  
 
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Guest 
				
				
					
		
			
			
				
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 12:49 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		
	Quote: 
	
	
		| 
			
				 
					Originally Posted by Frambosie
					
				 
				well, i really dont buy it. Id just like to say two things. 1: most of the information about the M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams tanks is classified, no one knows our armor concotion, the us govt never released a top speed etc...so any aligation against the abrams is false because no one but the petagon and defense contractors know the real capeablities of the Abrams. 
Now here is a true story:
 
My friends dad works with two guys who commanded and drove M1A1 abrams tanks in the Gulf War. Now, during operation desert shield, in Saudi Arabia they would drag race the abrams. Now, the released speed is like 40 MPH but these guys said the tank was doing 90 + MPH and i belive em.
 
id put my money on the Abrams any day    
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 I've heard from tankers that they can indeed exceed 60mph. The tank is, however, governed to about 40mph, to keep the turbine from overheating in combat. It is however against regulations to disable the governor during combat, because if you push it too hard for too long, you'll overheat the turbine and then you'll really be in deep shit.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 404 
                
				Join Date: Oct 2002 
				
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 01:07 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		[quote="Founding_Law":f1499]well germans are a very smart race.[/quote:f1499] 
 
 
Thats why they lost WW2  
 
 
besides ill take a M1A1 or M1A2 any day over a german tank 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Guest 
				
				
					
		
			
			
				
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 02:03 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		NINTY9 said 
[/quote]Germans are not a race.[quote:66ca3] 
 
RACE 
 
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.  
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.  
A genealogical line; a lineage.  
Humans considered as a group.  
 
right from the dictionary NINTY9. and they even use the German race as an exp. 
 
 
so your little attempt at a flame showed that you were wrong not me.[/quote:66ca3] 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Guest 
				
				
					
		
			
			
				
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 02:05 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		so i can still be racist if i hate some white people but not others?  good. 
 
you're STILL an idiot tho 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Senior Member 
				
				
					
		
			
			
			
				 
				Posts: 5,138 
                
				Join Date: Mar 2002 
				Location: Texas. Heyuck. 
				
				
				
				
			 	
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 02:07 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		
	Quote: 
	
	
		| 
			
				 
					Originally Posted by Totenkopf
					
				 
				
	Quote: 
	
	
		| 
			
				 
					Originally Posted by Vance1
					
				 
				Abrams: 
[img]http://www.squadron.com/old/M1A1%20PageMill/M1A1-1.jpg[/img] 
 
Leopard: 
[img]http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/Leopard-2-Austere-Version-C.jpg[/img] 
 
 
 
 
 
Copycats! 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 Actually the Leopard you see there first came off the production line in 1979, while the first Abrams came off the line in 1980.
 
Of course, I don't know who you were calling copycats. oOo:  
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 I meant the Americans were copycats eek:  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	| 
		
			
			
							
		 | 
		
		
		
	
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
				
				 Guest 
				
				
					
		
			
			
				
 	
			
			       			
		
		
	 | 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	 
   
		
            
             
				
            
          
		
		
				
		
				12-22-2002, 02:10 PM
			
			
			
		  
		
	
                
            	
		
		
		[quote:4efd1]you're STILL an idiot tho 
[/quote:4efd1] 
 
 
 
no in fact i am so much smarter than you. that what i talk about is way above your head. and you dont understand it. so you being who you are. think it must be me. when in fact it is you. notice how i didnt call you names. ^^ 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	 | 
 
	| 
	
		
			  
	
	
		
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
	
		
		 
			
			
			
				
			
			
			 
			
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
  |  
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
 
	
		
	
		
	
		 
		Posting Rules
	 | 
 
	
		
		You may not post new threads 
		You may not post replies 
		You may not post attachments 
		You may not edit your posts 
		 
		
		
		
		
		HTML code is Off 
		 
		
	  | 
 
 
	 | 
	
		
	 | 
 
 
    
    
    Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.12 by ScriptzBin Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc. 
    vBulletin Skin developed by:  vBStyles.com
    
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
    © 1998 - 2007 by Rudedog Productions  | All trademarks used are properties of their respective owners. All rights reserved.
     
 
		 
	 
 
 |