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Heres a few interesting results of the gun laws in England...

In 1987, two men assaulted Eric Butler, a 56-year-old British Petroleum executive, in a London Underground train carriage by trying to strangle him and smashing his head against the door. No one came to his aid. He later testified: "My air supply was being cut off, my eyes became blurred, and I feared for my life." In desperation he unsheathed an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick and slashed at one of his attackers, stabbing the man in the stomach. The assailants were charged with wounding. Butler was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.

In 1994, an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house, while he called the police. When the officers arrived they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. Now the police are pressing parliament to make imitation guns illegal.

Most familiar is the 1999 case of Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer, victim of six robberies, who shot two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him yet again. Like 70 per cent of rural villages his had no police presence. He received a life sentence for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and 12 months for having an illegal shotgun. The wounded burglar is already free.

Wow! Did you notice in the list, there was someone as young as 14 that was shot??

However, Gun Control? That would just create more crime. Just like Drugs, They made them illegeal and people do it for the "Thrill of getting caught"
Like someone said in another post "It's human nature, doing something bad feels good."

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About my post on gun deaths in Pittsburgh. It was the first site I found on a quick search. I thought it would be nice to have some names to go with the numbers. As for you that discount the suicides by gun, obviously you don't know anyone that blew their own brains out. I've known 5 people that have committed suicide with a gun. Of those five, one was termianally ill with cancer, and thought he was saving his family from the pain and cost of it, Two of them were derpressed and drunk, luckily for them they had a gun available to take care of that problem( I was fortunate enough to be there to try to help one the guys wife try to explain why daddy went away to her 4 year old boy). The last two, know one know for sure why they killed themselves, their lives seemed to be going well. But they all had one thing in common, they all owned the gun the killed themselves with.

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Whats your point about them all owning guns? that gun laws could have saved them. Cause they could have easily killed themselves with knives, pills, and so on...


P.S. I hope I never have to deal with a friends suicied, If I do I hope I can try and keep them from doing it.

most of the gun crimes in the US are drug related ie. gang vs. gang,
if the little fuckers want to kill each other good for them, less idiots for the cops to shoot.

also since most murders are by drug gangs it is safe to assume that they can get their weapons out of country like they get drugs, so banning guns will only make it harder to defend yourself from some sad gangsta "I-hold-my-gun-sideways-and-can't-hit-shit" types who get their guns from some colombian.

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P.S. I hope I never have to deal with a friends suicied, If I do I hope I can try and keep them from doing it.[/quote:b477b]

That's my point. The access to a gun made it to easy.
I only know 1 who attemped to slash her wrists(another deppressed drunk), luckly she was found before she died, it also helps that she did it wrong, straight across the the wrist. Last time I talked to her a few years a ago, she was happly married and expected her second child.

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P.S. I hope I never have to deal with a friends suicied, If I do I hope I can try and keep them from doing it.[/quote:62cc6]

That's my point. The access to a gun made it to easy.
I only know 1 who attemped to slash her wrists(another deppressed drunk), luckly she was found before she died, it also helps that she did it wrong, straight across the the wrist. Last time I talked to her a few years a ago, she was happly married and expected her second child.[/quote:62cc6]

Sure it made it easier for them to do it, however that has no bearing on whether citizens should be able to own guns, it is our right to do so. This country was able to gain its freedom because it citizens had guns (and the french donated a few) and if god forbid the U.S. goverment turns into what the British goverment was back then then its citizens will not be so easily opressed.

Tobacco kills 400,000 people a year
Alcohol and Alcohol related deaths are around 100,000

Why not ban these too? Another thing is many of those who like gun control are in favor of legalizing drugs...

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Originally Posted by Blitz

Tobacco kills 400,000 people a year
Alcohol and Alcohol related deaths are around 100,000

Why not ban these too? Another thing is many of those who like gun control are in favor of legalizing drugs...

Why stop there, why not ban cars, knives, lighters...

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[quote="Low spark":8a1bf]As for you that discount the suicides by gun, obviously you don't know anyone that blew their own brains out.[/quote:8a1bf]

Actually, I did. A couple of people. And I knew someone that hung himself and someone the ODed on sleeping pills. It wasnt the guns fault anymore than it was the rope's or the pills' fault. I am sorry for your losses, but they are irrelavant to the arguement IMO.

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Originally Posted by "Low spark":0c1a4

As for you that discount the suicides by gun, obviously you don't know anyone that blew their own brains out.

Actually, I did. A couple of people. And I knew someone that hung himself and someone the ODed on sleeping pills. It wasnt the guns fault anymore than it was the rope's or the pills' fault. I am sorry for your losses, but they are irrelavant to the arguement IMO.[/quote:0c1a4]

I know that they are irrelavant to most of you. It's all a matter of perspective.... I have my opinion you have yours, (at least until Homeland Defense decide's differenty, then will will all have G. W.'s opinion.)

ENJOY!

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[quote="Low spark":99b77]
I know that they are irrelavant to most of you. It's all a matter of perspective.... I have my opinion you have yours, (at least until Homeland Defense decide's differenty, then will will all have G. W.'s opinion.)

ENJOY![/quote:99b77]

Fair enough. I have a ton more arguements, but I will keep them to myself, at least until someone says something stupid .

And yes, GW's Homeland Security scares me a bit too.

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12 kids a day die in the USA because of guns.

Guns are made for a single purpouse, to kill people, they are very good at it.

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[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":d1e4e]12 kids a day die in the USA because of guns.

Guns are made for a single purpouse, to kill people, they are very good at it.[/quote:d1e4e]


Oh, you're so wrong> "Guns don't kill people, people do."

I love that line.

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and it's a lot easier for that person to kill someone with a gun than without one..