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				01-11-2004, 08:47 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 [quote="T.Hunter":bfe90]shure leave the gigantic flame war threads open, but close mine...
 
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 I was wondering that myself, why was yours closed?
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				01-11-2004, 08:59 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 [quote="Sgt Stryker":085bc]were they armed?In the other vid I thought I saw two hand with no gun between them on a couple of guys.[/quote:085bc]
 They were transporting arms, they were probably armed...
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				01-11-2004, 09:04 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 also, is this taken during the actual invasion or closer to now (ie when government council is in place)?
 Little things like that make all the difference, if it was after the war they are no longer combatants of an enemy country, not subject to Geneva, etc.
 
 
 My other concern about striking a convoy and gunning down survivors (rather than, say, taking prisoners) is: are we always sure they're enemy?
 The last vid I saw like that was on the History Channel, and it was an Apache accidentally killing an M-113 and then murdering its American crew with the gun.
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				01-11-2004, 10:30 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 any other videos similar to this? brings you closer to whats really going on over there |  
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				01-11-2004, 10:35 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 [quote="Sgt Stryker":e12fc]also, is this taken during the actual invasion or closer to now (ie when government council is in place)?[/quote:e12fc]It's after the ''war'' ended, and the insurgency is gaining momentum.
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				01-11-2004, 10:39 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 the apache crew was doing its duty. they even sat there and waited to get authorization to fire on hostiles in a war zone (which is retarded). Its a sad reality of war...people die, its only our responsibility to make sure that its the enemy doing the dieing and not us. |  
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				01-11-2004, 10:42 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 [quote="Sgt Stryker":30eac]were they armed?In the other vid I thought I saw two hand with no gun between them on a couple of guys.
 
 And what's up with murdering a wounded, combat ineffective man? We kill active enemy combatants, gunning down wounded was practiced by the nazis, imperial Japs, and chi-coms, all of whom I consider war criminals.
 Shooting a wounded man was not only uncalled for, but it sure as hell was a waste of money too, you know how much 50 30mm DU rounds cost?[/quote:30eac]
 
 If you get shot in the leg, you are still capable of firing an Ak-47 into people.
 
 A good video to bring yopu closer to whats going on over there, is the al-jazzaera video of the that convoy (or something, the one with lynch) that was ambused. And the Captured amercian soldiers with the bullet wounds in their head.... I don't recall any of you guys saying that was awesome...
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				01-11-2004, 10:48 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 Because those soldiers were executed in the head at close range. I would not say it was awesome if the same thing happened to Iraqis |  
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				01-11-2004, 10:50 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
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				01-11-2004, 10:51 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 
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				 Because those soldiers were executed in the head at close range. I would not say it was awesome if the same thing happened to Iraqis |  What about the soldiers killed by the truck? And, as they probably were excuted but, is there any proof of that? |  
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				01-11-2004, 11:01 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
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				 were they armed?In the other vid I thought I saw two hand with no gun between them on a couple of guys.
 
 And what's up with murdering a wounded, combat ineffective man? We kill active enemy combatants, gunning down wounded was practiced by the nazis, imperial Japs, and chi-coms, all of whom I consider war criminals.
 Shooting a wounded man was not only uncalled for, but it sure as hell was a waste of money too, you know how much 50 30mm DU rounds cost?
 |  If you get shot in the leg, you are still capable of firing an Ak-47 into people.
 
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In MOHAA yeah, in real life you're in shock and will probably die soon unless someone patches your sorry ass up. Most people can't fight on a leg shattered by a 30mm round, unlike what 1980s Hollywood would have us think. |  
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				01-11-2004, 11:04 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
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				01-11-2004, 11:08 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
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				 also, is this taken during the actual invasion or closer to now (ie when government council is in place)? |  It's after the ''war'' ended, and the insurgency is gaining momentum.[/quote:ee55d]
 
well in that case they probably were die-hard Fedayeen troopers (aka Saddam's SS) or foreign Jihadists, either way, not the poor conscript soldiers I would feel sorry for. |  
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				01-11-2004, 11:08 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
 
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				 Because those soldiers were executed in the head at close range. I would not say it was awesome if the same thing happened to Iraqis |  What about the soldiers killed by the truck? And, as they probably were excuted but, is there any proof of that? |  Just get this in your head. In war...the object is to kill the enemy. This is why we aren't sad when we kill iraqis, because these iraqis could very well be trying to kill americans if they arent killed. We are sad when iraqi soldiers and al queda fighters who are doing their duty kill americans because WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE DONT LIKE SEEING OUR GUYS GET KILLED!!! In ww2 no one cried when we wasted nazis and in korea no one cried when we wasted gooks...ever since vietnamn people some how have gotten the impression that we're suposed to win wars by not killing the enemy and his population, its just not going to happen. |  
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				01-11-2004, 11:14 PM
			
			
			
		 
               
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				 Because those soldiers were executed in the head at close range. I would not say it was awesome if the same thing happened to Iraqis |  What about the soldiers killed by the truck? And, as they probably were excuted but, is there any proof of that? |  Just get this in your head. In war...the object is to kill the enemy. This is why we aren't sad when we kill iraqis, because these iraqis could very well be trying to kill americans if they arent killed. We are sad when iraqi soldiers and al queda fighters who are doing their duty kill americans because WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE DONT LIKE SEEING OUR GUYS GET KILLED!!! In ww2 no one cried when we wasted nazis and in korea no one cried when we wasted gooks...ever since vietnamn people some how have gotten the impression that we're suposed to win wars by not killing the enemy and his population, its just not going to happen.[/quote:d24e6]
 
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