What a tragedy....

Jotun · **What a tragedy.... -** 02-07-2005, 08:54 PM

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/in ... 746910.xml

if you get a page that asks you for your zip code and DOB, just type in 07016 and some year like 1987.

well, to make a long story short, i'll summarize. i live in Cranford NJ, and Roselle Park touches Cranford and Kenilworth. this girl was murdered by her mother with a hammer to the head while she was in her sleep. she was a year younger than my gf, so i think she was 15. my gf knew her but not well because my gf lives in Kenilworth. its a tragedy...a lot of people around here are just devastated.

they actually said the wound looked like a gunshot cuz there was just a hole from the hammer. a mother murdering her daughter with a hammer...just depressing.

Drew · 02-07-2005, 08:57 PM

Yeah, it's like that these days because people have gone retarded.

When I was in high school in VA, there was this kid who we used to always pick on (daily thing) because he would try to start shit with everyone. It was pretty unbelievable, actually. So anyway, he called my buddy a racial slur which I shan't utter here (it's worse than the black tongue of Mordor, trust me) and we threw him off the bus.

According to the coroner, he, his two sisters, his infant brother and his father were all murdered about an hour later followed by his mother shooting herself in the head with a 12-gauge Kurt Cobain style.

Un-fucking-believable. To this day I still feel like shit. The last contact that kid had with the outside world was me and two other kids throwing him off a school bus. And all that time he was just crying out for help... damnit.

Jotun · 02-07-2005, 09:04 PM

dude, thats pretty rough...

this isnt really about mad murders, but i was told about a book called Cipher in the Snow which is about this kid who was always looked upon as the loser in the school and the one who was left out of everything. one day it was snowing out and the kid was on his bus on his way home, and he doesnt feel good so he asks to driver to stop so he can get off. when he gets off the bus he falls down into the snow and the bus drives away. the kid ends up freezing to death after he fell. its based on a true story. all these events are tragedies.

Tripper · 02-07-2005, 09:17 PM

Whoa, depressing thread....Some fucked up tragic stuff happens out there, just gotta keep your head up.

Pyro · 02-07-2005, 09:23 PM

New Jersey dude annoy:

RIP

Forte · 02-07-2005, 09:59 PM

people need to be evaluated before they have kids. make sure they are parent material and wont do this kind of shit to them.

RIP

annoy: so young

ninty · 02-07-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Forte

people need to be evaluated before they have kids. make sure they are parent material and wont do this kind of shit to them.

RIP

annoy: so young

I think you should think things through before yuo say them.

Are you going to decide who gets to have kids, and who doesn't? Or are you going to leave that up to the government?

Would you tell disabled people they can't have kids because there is a higher chance that their kid will be disabled?

Nobody has the right, in my mind, to tell anyone whether they can or can't have a family.

If you truly believe your statement, maybe you should contact your closest neo-conservative representative. I'm sure they can help you out.

Blase · 02-07-2005, 11:17 PM

It's the depressing stories like these that make me overly enjoyed with the fact that I know my parents would take a bullet for me if they had the chance.

I love my parents. rock:

Blase · 02-07-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

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I don't think he meant to say disabled people can't have kids because they might have disabled kids, ect.

I believe he meant something like if your a homicidal maniac, or have a very long history of abuse, you should at least be very closely monitored. If a guy is known to have beaten every girlriend he's ever had, has a tendancy to scream obsenities at kids in school, and in a overall "bad" guy, he shouldn't be able to have a kid just out of risk of the kids well being.

Milla · 02-07-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

Yeah, it's like that these days because people have gone retarded.

When I was in high school in VA, there was this kid who we used to always pick on (daily thing) because he would try to start shit with everyone. It was pretty unbelievable, actually. So anyway, he called my buddy a racial slur which I shan't utter here (it's worse than the black tongue of Mordor, trust me) and we threw him off the bus.

According to the coroner, he, his two sisters, his infant brother and his father were all murdered about an hour later followed by his mother shooting herself in the head with a 12-gauge Kurt Cobain style.

Un-fucking-believable. To this day I still feel like shit. The last contact that kid had with the outside world was me and two other kids throwing him off a school bus. And all that time he was just crying out for help... damnit.

Christ man, that sounds like a movie or something.What a shame

ninty · 02-07-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Blase

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Originally Posted by ninty9

<Ninty's post here, shortened out of consideration>

I don't think he meant to say disabled people can't have kids because they might have disabled kids, ect.

I believe he meant something like if your a homicidal maniac, or have a very long history of abuse, you should at least be very closely monitored. If a guy is known to have beaten every girlriend he's ever had, has a tendancy to scream obsenities at kids in school, and in a overall "bad" guy, he shouldn't be able to have a kid just out of risk of the kids well being.

I know. He didn't say anything about disabled people, but if your telling crazy people they can't have kids, why would you stop there. Why not stop the disabled people. Then we can have an aryian race like hitler wanted.

I understand the point, but I just don't believe under any circumstances anyone could say you can't have a kid, or were going to monitor you because of your past encounters. I just don't buy that.

The government doesn't give me the right to have kids, that is a choice I make because this is the way we are as humans. In my opinion, is just isn't something that you can say, you can have them, and you can't.

Blase · 02-07-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

I know. He didn't say anything about disabled people, but if your telling crazy people they can't have kids, why would you stop there. Why not stop the disabled people. Then we can have an aryian race like hitler wanted.

The rest of your argument is completly valid, it's human nature yes (Although, if it hadn't been for the formation of governments natural selection would have taken those people out of the gene pool) but the statements I quoted are a bit weird.

There's a big difference telling someone who is in the extremely likely catagory for beating their kids and wife that they shouldn't be able to have kids, and telling a completly harmless (No more harmless then you or I) person with down syndrome that he can't have a kid.

To say "Why stop there?" is to say that I, or anyone else who agrees with the original argument, actually might support that.

That's not at all true, the reasoning behind stopping people from having kids isn't to remove them from the gene pool, that's just another consequence of it, but it's intended purpose is to stop the events like noctis's and jotun's stories from ever occuring.

It's hard to honestly stand up and say that you would encourage a convicted child molester and girlfriend beater to have kids if they wanted, wouldn't you have any concern as to what might happen to the kid? You wouldn't have the same concern if you were asked if a middle class suburbian family wanted to start a family.

ninty · 02-07-2005, 11:47 PM

i'm not encouraging anyone to have kids. All i'm saying is I just don't think it's my place to tell anyone "you're not allowed to have kids"

And just beause someone has done something in the past, doens't mean they'll do it again. I acknowledge there is a higher probability it will happen, but it might not.

And I may have concerns, but this is not the issue. The issue is whether those people should be allowed to have children.

Blase · 02-07-2005, 11:51 PM

Really just boils down to you being optimistic, and me being cynical.

GG's on the conversation beer:

skelldar · 02-08-2005, 03:54 AM

RIP.

I think no matter what you do, whether you stop people from having kids or not, this type of shit is still gonna happen. Remember that guy in the news who killed his whole family because "God told him to"? You might be able to monitor someone who has a past with violence, but how well can you watch people who go insane after they've already had children? People are always gonna kill their families and stupid tragedies like this are always gonna happen, no matter what goes on to try to prevent it.

which kinda sucks.