the new-age "shotgun"

Xorcist [USA] · **the new-age "shotgun" -** 08-18-2002, 10:54 AM

ok, i know all of u are sick to death of the lame weapon comments, but i have to get this off my chest. i used to enjoy playing the realism modded servers because after all, they are realistic. but, it seems to me that the stg is taking over where the shotgun left off in the classic mode. all of these lame ass people that have a ton of kills think they rule the world when using an stg, when in fact they require no skill. the quickest rate of fire on the game combined with rifle-like accuracy is to me more frustrating than the shotgun ever was. just as with the shotgun, they charge right at u and 2 hits from that gun and your gone. (flashback to shotgunner running at me without a care in the world) i personally find it more challenging to use a rifle, which adds to the game for me. but when 10 out of 12 axis players rush in with stg's and kill everyone in under 2 minutes, that to me is so weak. challenge yourself people, grab something different for a change. i know im goin to get get flamed for this subject, but it is something i had to rant about. i can hear it already: "just keep your distance." "learn to aim better." etc, etc, etc. say what u will, but i am sure some of you agree with me. im out

[DSB]Doggie · 08-18-2002, 11:09 AM

At this moent in time, I am living for the simple thrill of the Axis K98 Rifle kill.

Try this weapon... you may lose 10 to 15 times till you get the good upclose shot, but when you do...... all is right in the game world again.

It,s the great mellow groove thang in life.

K98 or bust

Doggie

Mr. Tulip · 08-18-2002, 11:16 AM

Yes, they can be a pain, especially the people who camp with them. However, there are few things more satisfying than nailing a campng STGer with a M1. freak:

[NBK] G.I. Jerk · 08-18-2002, 04:03 PM

Lets face it, if I'm a german I'll take the best the game has to offer weapon-wise. Myself I prefer the Browning...and allies.

Sniper Wolf [USAR] · 08-18-2002, 04:19 PM

lets face it (whats true lol)

If the Stg was that accurate in WWII, we would have lost lol. The Stg was slow rate of fire, and was as accurate as a mg42 on a bipod. The guns totaly gay, but I have to admit we cant just say this towards the axis, the bar and stg are designed the same way, just stg faster rate of fire. The bar has same accuracy as the Stg. My friend on our server running Realism always uses it. For example, We were playing Destroyed village. On the side where the sherman tank is sitting, I was standing way at the end of the road nearest the bush's and house where there are steps. He was standing way by the building which allows you to get on top the roof and then under ground (as some who know what im talk about, not saying which building but if you know what im talking about you know which one it is). He shot one bullet and killed me. Hit me in the head, and thats just not possible. I think someone needs to make a mod like Crow kings realism but make the bar and stg less accurate, the Stg slower rate of fire.

But thats just my 2 cents.

goneaway · 08-18-2002, 04:23 PM

yeah you suck. stop bitching...if people are kicking your ass with an STG...and ur using a rifle for "the challenge" thats your fault. go use the BAR yah bastard. hake:

Mr. Tulip · 08-18-2002, 05:12 PM

The only problem I have with the STG are those people who, even though the allies are outnumbered 8-3, will still join the axis because all they use is the STG.

08-18-2002, 05:17 PM

i think i'm the only person in the world who prefers the MP40 over the STG. more easily controlable and if you know how to use it can make some pretty decent ranged shots (which of course results in "FUCK YOU CHEATER")

[NBK] G.I. Jerk · 08-18-2002, 05:21 PM

[quote="Mr. Tulip":410c9]The only problem I have with the STG are those people who, even though the allies are outnumbered 8-3, will still join the axis because all they use is the STG.[/quote:410c9]

Aint that the truth...

Phoenix62 · 08-18-2002, 05:52 PM

I m saying this...from a long time...
STG44 is overpowered into CKR Realism and CPR Realism mods...
Into Standart MoHAA...STG44 is set 27 damage value/1 shot....
In CKR is 80........and into CPR is set to 85 !!!!

These all values..refers to upper torso shot only....
MoHAA engine increase these values if u hit the head...decrease for all other body areas......
72 damage...is the minum value....that is incresed to 100...if headshot....
So u can figure that 80 CKR and 85 CPR values......goes over 100 damage about head-shots situation !
Add STG44 accuracy and that damn ROF....and now u can complain why 90% Axis use STG44........
With CKR maker...Crown King.....i took original CKR Realism...and i heavily tweaked it.....for no so extreme values.......
I called it PHR Realism.....
There is a txt file in it....that explain its genesis.....

1 Example: STG44 is set to 42 damage.......
Something in middle Original MoHAA and CKR value....
All other weapons...are tweaked too.......
Almost u can react if hitted...in PHR Realism.....
In CKR if 1-2 shots reach u....u die.....
I can complain about this from snipers and rifles....or zookas....but not from smg's and mg's.......
Usually....forcing the Realism...kill gameplay.....
Some sort of balance....i think better.....
In CKR...u don t need to take the target into iron sight.....
Cos 1-2 shots are enough !
U see........u fire 1-2 shots...u win.......
Where is the skill ???????
If i want this.....i go play UT-Istangib !!!!

PS: In opposite...Bar is set at 62....against CKR 104.....
Accuracy about almost all weapons...in PHR are like in CKR.....

Phoenix62 · 08-18-2002, 05:59 PM

I don pretend u like it...but almost u can read the txt inside........

http://www.alliedassault.com/pafiledb/p ... ile&id=820

A new version....PHR 1.1 is ready...with some tweaks....after long public PHR runninh on NGI server......

Ydiss · 08-18-2002, 06:05 PM

I agree with the original post. STG44 in CKR simply replaces the shotgun with an even more powerful, more accurate and longer range weapon, with the fastest rate of fire.

It then goes and replaces the shotgun with the M1 which is just as bad, except not so much on the rate of fire and lesser clip.

Again, the BAR is an insanely powerful gun.

As are the two SMGs.

But, it's across the board and it does offer a completely different (and more realistic) game, so it's very popular.

I just think that anyone who says they prefer CKR because it reduces the shotgun's power is living on a different planet.

It's like that Jedi mod... That is the biggest self-ironic mod I've ever seen. It actually cusses you for being a 'lame rocket fag' (or words to that effect) when it alters every other gun to be way, way, way more powerful than the rocket was in the first place, lol.

You couldn't make it up, really.

(disclaimer: This post was not written to flame CKR. I don't like playing it but let's face it, it's bloody popular and it will keep the game alive longer, so kudos to Crow King)

[NBK] G.I. Jerk · 08-18-2002, 06:21 PM

Maybe a BAR mod needs to be implemented to gain a close par with the STG-44?

The BAR's been around since the end of the 1st world war. Over the years it saw improvements. Maybe these should be reflected in a MOD? I think EA went with the original specs...lol

In CKR it would seem to me that the BAR fires no more than 3 rounds per second, if even that high. The BAR model M1918A2 could fire a lot faster than that at approximately 500-650 rounds per second. That's darned near 10 bullets a second.

Source: http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm

Also of interest: http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/arms.htm

snipeymagoo · 08-18-2002, 09:18 PM

omg finally a good post....i would much rather every one start using shotguns than stg's i hate those things man.....all the n00b's use them and they think they are getting good kills when they do when really its just a gun that makes it 10 times more easier to kill pple....more thna the shottie i think and strik0r your not alone i love the mp40 its either a sniper or the mp or the tommy for my screw em all lol well any way peace and dont go to the 280d server they are a bunch of pussies

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eatitbey · **FUss... -** 08-18-2002, 10:10 PM

The point of the game is to kill people correct? The fact is you still have to aim the STG and hit the person with it. This seems to be a skill that alot of people lack.I use the STG because it is the best option. When playing allies I use the BAR....again the best option in my opinion. What it boils down to is one's style of play. Calling someone a n00b becuase they use the STG is a little ridiculous. I don't think people will be happy until everyone uses the pistol whip. Its the only way people won't call each other n00bs.