[negative]

shame? He was doing what he was told/expected to do. He participated in one of the greatest erras in American History.

[Colonel]

I missed the video the first time. 56k connection with my laptop when I saw it. Forgot to go back when I got home. I'd have to say that the guy is making a leap to say that the monkeys are engaging in homosexual activity. Looks to me they are just monkeying around.

It is interesting to note that in one part they say there is no apparent reason for the behavior other than pleasure and then later they point out that the female does it to attract the attention of the male or to remind the male what he is supposed to be doing.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Colonel

I missed the video the first time. 56k connection with my laptop when I saw it. Forgot to go back when I got home. I'd have to say that the guy is making a leap to say that the monkeys are engaging in homosexual activity. Looks to me they are just monkeying around.

It is interesting to note that in one part they say there is no apparent reason for the behavior other than pleasure and then later they point out that the female does it to attract the attention of the male or to remind the male what he is supposed to be doing.

Scientist who has been studying the fucking things for 10 years > You.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by negative

It the leftwing liberals dedicated to letting the minority rule the majority, which is completely against what the founding fathers stood for.

I think you misunderstand some things....It's not only gays that support gay rights, civil union, etc. I think you'll find that a good 50% of most populations support it. That's why it's not about a 'minority' ruling over the majority, because if it does go ahead - It's because the majority have decided so....Unless you people have some kind of warped voting system where the minority vote wins.... oOo:

Originally Posted by negative

Either way, with my backround of farms, trailerparks, and cheap houses in the south, I will never buy the whole "be accepting of gays". I was taught a man is a man, not a little bitch who complains about everything, and brags about being different then everyone else.

You think all gay people are feminine little bitches who complain about everything and brag about different things to other people....? There's your problem. That's called stereotyping.

Originally Posted by negative

In America, if you are for gays you are cool and open to things. If you are against gays, you are apparently a Jesus loonatic that is also racist and in the KKK (which is not true). It crazy leftwing liberal talk.

Sure, it's exaggerated, but there's some truth to it....


...and for those that think some people CHOOSE to be gay. You are dellusional.

Alot of people go through REALLY hard times dealing with homosexuality. I've heard plenty of stories of guys comitting suicide after denying it for so long. People that hate on gays are generally the cause of those suicidal feelings. It's not a simple case of, "hey it's cool to be gay. I like dudes......NOW."

You can't just change your sexual orientation like that.

...and I don't understand how a couple of guys you don't know are going to ruin your idea of what a marriage is....Hasn't the millions of divorced husbands and wives throughout the western world already done that....?

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Alot of people go through REALLY hard times dealing with homosexuality. I've heard plenty of stories of guys comitting suicide after denying it for so long.

yup exactly, my old junior school best friends brother turned out to be gay and owned up to his parents and his brother - he decided he was going to tell his friends shortly before his 17th birthday and committed suicide because of the way he thought his friends would see him as.

We were really close to this family and to hear that his dad pulled him down from a rope is really sick. This is the sort of pain these people go though. He didnt make a choice and say he's gay, it just happened. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks, homosexuality is in real time - no one can do anything about it. Eventually people will have to admit that homosexuality is a part of our society.

[Johnj]

Originally Posted by Tripper

I think you misunderstand some things....It's not only gays that support gay rights, civil union, etc. I think you'll find that a good 50% of most populations support it. That's why it's not about a 'minority' ruling over the majority, because if it does go ahead - It's because the majority have decided so....Unless you people have some kind of warped voting system where the minority vote wins

Sorry Tripper, everywhere in America that gay marriage has been put to a vote it has been defeated. Even in MA the vote said no gay marriage. A judge threw out the law. Here in KS the vote was 70% for the ban and 29% were against.[url=http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/06/kansas.gaymarriage.ap/:f6586]LINK[/url:f6586]

"All these state amendments are going to be struck down by federal judges," said Matt Daniels, president of the Alliance for Marriage. "We're in a race now -- in a race between the democratic process in Kansas and other states and the federal courts."

It's interesting what Mr Daniels says here because he admits that his group is trying to circumvent the voting process by using activist judges.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Johnj

Sorry Tripper, everywhere in America that gay marriage has been put to a vote it has been defeated. Even in MA the vote said no gay marriage. A judge threw out the law. Here in KS the vote was 70% for the ban and 29% were against.[url=http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/06/kansas.gaymarriage.ap/:4428e]LINK[/url:4428e]

"All these state amendments are going to be struck down by federal judges," said Matt Daniels, president of the Alliance for Marriage. "We're in a race now -- in a race between the democratic process in Kansas and other states and the federal courts."

It's interesting what Mr Daniels says here because he admits that his group is trying to circumvent the voting process by using activist judges.

Whatever, I was just trying to point out that it's not only gays that generally support their cause...I.e, down here we passed the civil union bill, pretty much the majority of our Labour party (equivelent of democrats - liberal), which are currently in power voted yes on it. Doesn't mean they're all gay.

I'm sure where ever you people are from, they'd vote against it.

[Coleman]

tripps, actually here in america there are alot of people against it. It's just one of those things that conservative america is different compared to the world.

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Whatever, I was just trying to point out that it's not only gays that generally support their cause...I.e, down here we passed the civil union bill, pretty much the majority of our Labour party (equivelent of democrats - liberal), which are currently in power voted yes on it. Doesn't mean they're all gay.

I'm sure where ever you people are from, they'd vote against it.

Actually, I think the polls show that about half, or more, of the country supports a civil union bill. But when you start calling it "marriage" that's when the numbers really drop off.

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Colonel

Actually, I think the polls show that about half, or more, of the country supports a civil union bill. But when you start calling it "marriage" that's when the numbers really drop off.

civil unions/marriage; the point is, seperate but equal has already been determined to be discrimination. this is clearly an issue of a group of people being oppressed.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Coleman

tripps, actually here in america there are alot of people against it. It's just one of those things that conservative america is different compared to the world.

Yah, I understand.....\/

Originally Posted by Tripper

I'm sure where ever you people are from, they'd vote against it.

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

Originally Posted by Johnj

Why do a man and woman get married? To have and raise children. They get married so thier children can benifit from the union. It also helps to keep the number of street children down. Just as soon as you can show me a couple of gays that can have thier own children (and I'm not talking about using a surregate for any part of the reproduction process) then I might change my mind. Does this make me a homophobe? I don't think so. I could care less if you find some guys hairy ass attractive. You and your bud can go (Edit not in this post please) all you want. Go march in a gay pride parade, I won't even bother to watch. We still have laws that say you can't marry your dog or a goat. Or your sister. And we're a better place for those laws.

i thought it was legal to marry your sister in Kansas

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

So what if somewhere like Maine dosent vote against it & all the other states do? I guess Maine will become kinda like San Fransisco...

[Johnj]

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i thought it was legal to marry your sister in Kansas[/quote:50393]

No only in Arkansas or members of The Royal Family.

[Ferich]

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