US death toll in Iraq hits 2,000

ninty · **US death toll in Iraq hits 2,000 -** 10-25-2005, 09:21 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051025/ts ... &printer=1

Was it worth it?

Sgt>Stackem · 10-25-2005, 09:28 AM

Akuma · 10-25-2005, 09:42 AM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":39c20]even after 1 death it wasn't[/quote:39c20]

Sgt>Stackem · 10-25-2005, 09:49 AM

[quote=Akuma]

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even after 1 death it wasn't

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thanks for putting words in my mouth

Akuma · 10-25-2005, 09:53 AM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":97c7f][quote=Akuma]

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Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":97c7f

even after 1 death it wasn't

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thanks for putting words in my mouth[/quote:97c7f]
np

Coleman · 10-25-2005, 10:31 AM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":c97ba]YES[/quote:c97ba]

Ferich · 10-25-2005, 10:50 AM

So it takes 2,000 dead Americans to put Saddam on trial for murdering 150? Doesn't seem worth it in that regard. But what can you do? Give up?

The only redeeming value I can think of is a democratic government for the Iraqi people which seems to be spiraling towards failure at times anyways.

Sgt>Stackem · 10-25-2005, 11:21 AM

he has murdered many more than 150

Ferich · 10-25-2005, 11:38 AM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":b742f]he has murdered many more than 150[/quote:b742f]

Obviously, but for now he's only on trial for mudering 150(Dujail) which could most likely end up being his only trial.

[quote:b742f]Amin later read the charges against Saddam and his co-defendants, advising them they face possible execution if convicted in a 1982 massacre of nearly 150 Shiites in Dujail, Iraq, after a failed attempt on the former dictator’s life.

( page 2 bottom)

Prosecutors are preparing other cases to bring to trial against Saddam and his officials — including for the Anfal Operation, a military crackdown on the Kurds in the late 1980s that killed some 180,000 people; the suppression of Kurdish and Shiite revolts in 1991; and the deaths of 5,000 Kurds in a 1988 poison gas attack on the village of Halabja.

If a death sentence is issued in the Dujail case, it is unclear whether it would be carried out regardless of whether Saddam is involved in other trials. He can appeal a Dujail verdict, but if a conviction and sentence are upheld, the sentence must be carried out within 30 days. A stay could be granted to allow other trials to proceed. [/quote:b742f]

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You're more or less right Sgt, but I know I'll feel better when he's charged with the more extreme crimes.

Sgt>Stackem · 10-25-2005, 12:36 PM

if he gets death (which he will) it does not matter how many times he is found guilty

TGB! · 10-25-2005, 01:18 PM

"More or less right" - he is right. This is about more than how many people Saddam killed, or how many American's have died. Opponents of the war desperately wish to reframe the argument around numbers because numbers can be "proved" and "disputed" - the wont discuss the long-term ramifications of our efforts in the Middle East because to do so would force them to critically look at the positives of removing Saddam/Taliban from power.

No - all they can do is parrot at the top of their lungs "2000 dead - 200 dead" as if the number of dead invalidates a movement.

How many slaves died? How many American's died in the revolutionary war (a war - by the anti-war crowds standards should NEVER have happened and that France should never have been involved in)? How many blacks died in South Africa? By this spurious stupid logic - none of those struggles was "worth it".

For a group that prides itself on "progressive thinking" and looking outside the box to find solutions to the problems of the world - they seem incredibly narrow-minded and limited in their analysis of this conflict.

ninty · 10-25-2005, 05:06 PM

Please enlighten me as to the positive outcomes for the future of the middle east.

Also, you really think you can compare slavery and what's going on in Iraq? You try to use big words to make yourself sound smarter and more superior to everone else, yet in comparing totally non related subjects you manage to do just the opposite.

The 2,000 mark is a milestone. Nothing more. It doesn;t matter what you compare it to. You would argue that by sacrificing these 2000 people that the middle east will become more stable in the future and thus there will be less attacks within and outside the US. No one can see the future. Will there be less attacks? Or will this enrage people further? I guess you just have to hope you made the right choice.

Short Hand · 10-25-2005, 05:32 PM

only tiime will tell......

Johnj · 10-25-2005, 06:27 PM

[quote="Short Hand":5d747]only tuime will tell......[/quote:5d747]

How the hell is Karakalpak jewelry going to tell? Or were you just destroying the English language again.

Short Hand · 10-26-2005, 04:26 PM

[quote=Johnj]

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only tuime will tell......

How the hell is Karakalpak jewelry going to tell? Or were you just destroying the English language again.[/quote:618e6]

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