German soldiers were not Nazis - Page 3

spiewalk · 01-10-2002, 05:32 AM

you got something against that post retard? you wanna add anything to you're stupidity?

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Tyler Durden · 01-10-2002, 05:34 AM

Freakaloin :/ Go pick one of the new avatars plz :/ I r teh ranger, not you.

KillorLive · 01-10-2002, 05:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ramza:
Germans are a proud, militaristic people. They didn't like the fact that they lost world war one, and promised to reverse those wrongs. Not so different from september 11th, in that we were wronged and we demanded justice. Just like the German people demanded it, except they didn't realize what they were getting themselves into. However, consider this: The average dogface/grunt fighting the German army in World war 2 wouldn't care if the Germans he was fighting were ts or democrats: they were fearfully effective fighters who killed off the grunt's buddies.

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You're a fucking DUMBASS.
The German people did NOT want war.
I suggest you read BOTH All Quiet on the Western Fron and The Road Back
Both by Erich Maria Remarque.
Most Germans just wanted the war to be over.
WW1 was ancient history to most people.
The only people that wanted war were the high ranking officers that felt they were slapped in the face.

Preacher_CNR · 01-10-2002, 05:42 AM

What a wonderfull discussion

Especially those who call all germans Nazis. Great point!! I'd go and stuff me old pipe an tell that to your children and within one generation your children are brainwashed in the same way. Why??? because you do not tell the truth then and thus making it impossible for your children to judge. Simple and clear. Get the point?

If not, please go read some good autobiographs and watch some good documentaries and not the "Hey I saved private RYan" docu's on prime time television. Take a good weekend around may and tune into DIscovery channel (Europe version). You will see what really happened.

ALso you might go and talk to the european elderly to get an idea. Hell, lot's of things went wrong those days. I will be the last to disagree on that. Also that a lot of German soldiers and officers were cold blooded "nazis". But there were in fact people who were different, but could not make a stand or were brutally forced. Take a look at the way how german soldiers were shot point blank by not following a command by their officers. That will show some discipline (and will ensure that no one speaks up).

See it the same way the US army dealt with gay soldiers some years ago. There were lots of them, but did they really make a stand for it?? Hell no, they'd be slaughtered by the others. Different story, same point.

A lot of german soldiers were nazi's? true. All? No. If you still think different I personally think you have absolutely no indepth information about the ww-II and react purely on emotion and that my dear friends is what makes the most wars start.

AMEN

Dr.Ziodberg · 01-10-2002, 05:45 AM

Face it... It's not the common ppl who have any voice in any country, no not the US either... If the politicians want war, they'll create war. They will make it legitimize through the media and ppl joining to fight who blelieve they were doing the right thing... There are numerous proofs of this... WWI, WW2, vietnam, korea, cheztnia (or however that's spelled), yugoslavia, afghanistan... All those who are or have been fighting, have or will, realise that their or the other side has been lied to... face it, we're sheeps everyne of us...

Lorenz · 01-10-2002, 06:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
Germans were a bunch of morons for following a meglomaniac like hitler. i say call em all nazi's. it's so pathetic that the silent majority in germany sit back and let hitler do what he did to the world.

duty to their country...puhlease...

friggin rednecks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's easy to sit back today and judge history with today's standards. If you lived in Germany and suffered through embarassing peace treaties and economic strife. By 1932 you would probably be pretty pissed off and might just go for a guy like Hitler, oh my.
As for calling Germans of the time rednecks, it doesn't deserve a response.

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Lorenz · 01-10-2002, 06:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jesta:
I'm gonna call em Nazis and I don't give a damn.

Whether or not they knew it, all German soldiers fought under the command of fucked up people who tried to exterminate an entire race of people and attempted world domination. Had they been given the chance, they would have NUKED the U.S. without thinking twice about it.

Any German soldier who fought for them was only helping them get closer and closer to accomplishing their diabolical schemes, therefore I refer to all of these Krauts as Nazis, regardless of whether or not they actually were sticking Jews into ovens.

Either way, they prolonged this process for as long as they could, thus making them supporters of Nazis, whether it was directly or indirectly.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't naively ignore every single statement I hear about "not all German soldier being Nazis." And if you don't, then deal with it...the same way I deal with the fact that my great grandparents were cremated alive.

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No way you can say Germany would have nuked the U.S when they had a bigger enemy to the East. And it sounds like you're arguing more with emotions than common sense.

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Lorenz · 01-10-2002, 06:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>actuall if it wasnt for president woodro wilson ( yes an american) dreming up great ideas for the new germany, going all the way to versailles and then speak aload of crap, it was mainly he who shitted on germany. And yes the brits and the french were a bit harsh and of course they could see 25 years into the future knowing that a corporal in the german army would become leader of germany and take over europe and bring the world into war. tell me were was the main part of the great war thought.... texas, miami,pittsburgh... no in northern france... that part of the country was devastated so i think they had the right to be slightly p o'd.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the History lessons I learned. Wilson made up a treaty called the '12 Points of Peace' which was very fair to all sides but congress turned it down in favor of the versailles.

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JOkeR · 01-10-2002, 06:19 AM

isn't this off topic and should be closed and moved to the BS forum like every other post here?

the mods here are the NAziS

Graverobber · 01-10-2002, 06:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by: Lorenz
From the History lessons I learned. Wilson made up a treaty called the '12 Points of Peace' which was very fair to all sides but congress turned it down in favor of the versailles.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually this was called the 14 points plan and consisted of the following:

I. Open covenants of peace, openly arrived at, after which there shall be no private international understandings of any kind but diplomacy shall proceed always frankly and in the public view.

II. Absolute freedom of navigation upon the seas, outside territorial waters, alike in peace and in war, except as the seas may be closed in whole or in part by international action for the enforcement of international covenants.

III. The removal, so far as possible, of all economic barriers and the establishment of an equality of trade conditions among all the nations consenting to the peace and associating themselves for its maintenance.

IV. Adequate guarantees given and taken that national armaments will be reduced to the lowest point consistent with domestic safety.

V. A free, open-minded, and absolutely impartial adjustment of all colonial claims, based upon a strict observance of the principle that in determining all such questions of sovereignty the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable claims of the government whose title is to be determined.

VI. The evacuation of all Russian territory and such a settlement of all questions affecting Russia as will secure the best and freest cooperation of the other nations of the world in obtaining for her an unhampered and unembarrassed opportunity for the independent determination of her own political development and national policy and assure her of a sincere welcome into the society of free nations under institutions of her own choosing; and, more than a welcome, assistance also of every kind that she may need and may herself desire. The treatment accorded Russia by her sister nations in the months to come will be the acid test of their good will, of their comprehension of her needs as distinguished from their own interests, and of their intelligent and unselfish sympathy.

VII. Belgium, the whole world will agree, must be evacuated and restored, without any attempt to limit the sovereignty which she enjoys in common with all other free nations. No other single act will serve as this will serve to restore confidence among the nations in the laws which they have themselves set and determined for the government of their relations with one another. Without this healing act the whole structure and validity of international law is forever impaired.

VIII. All French territory should be freed and the invaded portions restored, and the wrong done to France by Prussia in 1871 in the matter of Alsace-Lorraine, which has unsettled the peace of the world for nearly fifty years, should be righted, in order that peace may once more be made secure in the interest of all.

IX. A readjustment of the frontiers of Italy should be effected along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.

X. The peoples of Austria-Hungary, whose place among the nations we wish to see safeguarded and assured, should be accorded the freest opportunity to autonomous development.

XI. Rumania, Serbia, and Montenegro should be evacuated; occupied territories restored; Serbia accorded free and secure access to the sea; and the relations of the several Balkan states to one another determined by friendly counsel along historically established lines of allegiance and nationality; and international guarantees of the political and economic independence and territorial integrity of the several Balkan states should be entered into.

XII. The Turkish portion of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees.

XIII. An independent Polish state should be erected which should include the territories inhabited by indisputably Polish populations, which should be assured a free and secure access to the sea, and whose political and economic independence and territorial integrity should be guaranteed by international covenant.

XIV. A general association of nations must be formed under specific covenants for the purpose of affording mutual guarantees of political independence and territorial integrity to great and small states alike.

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Manny · 01-10-2002, 06:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
lol dumbass <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope you get banned soon. You do nothing but insult people. Go back to the cave you came from.

Manny · 01-10-2002, 06:58 AM

This is what I think:
Before World War I, Germany became the stronges [economic wise] country in the world, stronger than Britain and the US.
The British didn't like that so they would take every chance at a war. Germany lost. Britain takes EVEREYTHING away from Germany, thinking that this way the Germans will not come back to full strenght for many decades to come, not caring about Germany's future or its people. That was very selfish and arrogant. The British could have stopped World War II by not letting Germany completely down. What do you expect a country does if you drag it into the dirt? Germany's economy was, on a scale from 1-10, at -2. Years passed and the British still didn't care. Germans became desperate and would take every chance at getting Germany back to a good country. That only chance was Hitler. Britain could have possible stopped World War II. But they refused to give a damn.

Graverobber · 01-10-2002, 07:04 AM

Well neither did the rest of the world Manny, remember, it wasn't only Chamberlain that was at the last meeting with Hitler before he allowed him to divy up the the Czechs, Daladier was there also. And don't forget the isolationist factions of America who needed an attack on Pearl Harbor, and a declaration of war by Germany to finally join up. Not too mention the members of the League of Nations who let the Germans completely nullify the Versailles treaty, with rearmarment and the occupation of the Rhineland. The list goes on and on...

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Freakaloin · 01-10-2002, 07:07 AM

why was britian supposed to care? why do u think britian owed germany something. they didn't owe them shit, and their feeling had nothing to do with anything... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Manny:
This is what I think:
Before World War I, Germany became the stronges [economic wise] country in the world, stronger than Britain and the US.
The British didn't like that so they would take every chance at a war. Germany lost. Britain takes EVEREYTHING away from Germany, thinking that this way the Germans will not come back to full strenght for many decades to come, not caring about Germany's future or its people. That was very selfish and arrogant. The British could have stopped World War II by not letting Germany completely down. What do you expect a country does if you drag it into the dirt? Germany's economy was, on a scale from 1-10, at -2. Years passed and the British still didn't care. Germans became desperate and would take every chance at getting Germany back to a good country. That only chance was Hitler. Britain could have possible stopped World War II. But they refused to give a damn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Graverobber · 01-10-2002, 07:16 AM

Britain was suppose to care because the buildup of weapons, men, and material (not too mention their occupation of land that wasn't theirs in the first place)was an obvious prelude to war. A war which could have been avoided if Britain had focused on rebuilding Germany and pacifying them instead of enraging them with the treaty of Versailles.