[Unknown_Sniper]

[quote="Capt. John Miller":e3ba0]

Originally Posted by Ferich

Hell no. Every Military coordinated together in Europe would crush the United States into pieces. The SAS and KSK would destroy the SEALS and every other US Special Forces.

oops before loctness i cant let this one go, you underestimate the SEALs capabilities. You only hear what the media shares about them, they are 100 times better than what you think they are.[/quote:e3ba0]

Yeah one of my friends brothers has this video of a ship coming into port and they refused a required search(post 9/11 shizzo) so some guy saw this put THERMAL imaging on his camera and recorded a group of seals (maybe liek 5) take overt this entire ship and kick some hard ass.

[1080jibber]

EUROPE would win because whats stoping them from asking china or even north korea to help them out


*flame war starts now*

[Innoxx]

Alfa (Spetznaz), GIGN, GSG9, KSK, SAS, OMON, SPAP, SEK > SEALS

Sure the US of A is the highest funded military in the world, but not as much as all of Europe combined. Of course if this conflict were ever to happen, it would be WW3... or maybe even WW4. It would be a bloody conflict that would probably last for years but in the end, I think America would lose. One country vs a whole fucking continent? Please.

[Jotun]

the thing is....Europe isnt ONE country... Europe contains hundreds of countries each with their own strong point...the US is only one country...it depends on what countries we fight, where, when, and how...lets put this into perspective...this is like comparing Italian food to Mexican food...you cant really compare them...they are 2 different types of food with different tastes. they cannot be compared.

[Ferich]

[quote="Capt. John Miller":613e9]

Originally Posted by Ferich

Hell no. Every Military coordinated together in Europe would crush the United States into pieces. The SAS and KSK would destroy the SEALS and every other US Special Forces.

oops before loctness i cant let this one go, you underestimate the SEALs capabilities. You only hear what the media shares about them, they are 100 times better than what you think they are.[/quote:613e9]


You also underestimate the SAS. A grouping of countries best fighting men vs the Navy SEALS. Stop being so ignorant and thinking the US Military is invincible, they're not.

And Office Depot, all of those aircraft wouldn't have time to be tank killing while they're scrambling dog fights in the sky.

It depends on the US objectives. Europe has no way to attack the US across miles of ocean covered by 12 carrier battle groups, around 30 688i SSNs, something like 500 F-15s and 2000 F-16s.

Europe has a shitty French carrier and 2 British Harrier-carriers (somehow I think the British would side with the US)
the US has 12 fleet carriers and 12 LHAs (double as Harrier-carrier) plus dozens of Aegis cruisers and destroyers. Aegis, being designed to counter Soviet "Granit" (NATO SS-N-20 Shipwreck) anti-ship missiles, can shoot down anything anyone can throw at it biggrin:

A land invasion would be more difficult, but the US could easily blockade water shipping routes to Europe.

Originally Posted by Innoxx

Alfa (Spetznaz), GIGN, GSG9, KSK, SAS, OMON, SPAP, SEK > SEALS

Sure the US of A is the highest funded military in the world, but not as much as all of Europe combined. Of course if this conflict were ever to happen, it would be WW3... or maybe even WW4. It would be a bloody conflict that would probably last for years but in the end, I think America would lose. One country vs a whole fucking continent? Please.

about Alfa:

I doubt Russia would side with continental Europe, old suspicions die hard, plus Europe was being pretty whiny about defending Chechen terrorists' "rights" while the US more or less supports Russia's actions.

[CaP bUsTa]

you have to remember its not about who is siding with who. We know this will never happen so the sides cannot be argued. It is USA vs Europe, no siding. It doesnt really matter because this is pointless

[Innoxx]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":b0c7d]

Originally Posted by Innoxx

Alfa (Spetznaz), GIGN, GSG9, KSK, SAS, OMON, SPAP, SEK > SEALS

Sure the US of A is the highest funded military in the world, but not as much as all of Europe combined. Of course if this conflict were ever to happen, it would be WW3... or maybe even WW4. It would be a bloody conflict that would probably last for years but in the end, I think America would lose. One country vs a whole fucking continent? Please.

about Alfa:

I doubt Russia would side with continental Europe, old suspicions die hard, plus Europe was being pretty whiny about defending Chechen terrorists' "rights" while the US more or less supports Russia's actions.[/quote:b0c7d]

Yes, but the question was the United States vs. Europe, where the hell is Russia?

Besides, if the USA invaded Europe, you'd be going up against the whole world. Far more countries have ties with Europe and than America. China would counter attack from the west and you'd be fighting on two fronts. UK, France, Spain and Italy would invade the eastern seaboard. Canada would invade from the north backed by the Russians and Chinese and This mock war would be over.

[Ferich]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":44e05]It depends on the US objectives. Europe has no way to attack the US across miles of ocean covered by 12 carrier battle groups, around 30 688i SSNs, something like 500 F-15s and 2000 F-16s.

Europe has a shitty French carrier and 2 British Harrier-carriers (somehow I think the British would side with the US)
the US has 12 fleet carriers and 12 LHAs (double as Harrier-carrier) plus dozens of Aegis cruisers and destroyers. Aegis, being designed to counter Soviet "Granit" (NATO SS-N-20 Shipwreck) anti-ship missiles, can shoot down anything anyone can throw at it biggrin:

A land invasion would be more difficult, but the US could easily blockade water shipping routes to Europe.[/quote:44e05]

Most of that is true besides the fact of Canada. I most certaintly believe that the Canadian's would side with Europe. And we're not going to take Russia or British and turn them around into US Allies, mainly because Office Depot said USA vs Europe. So that would most certainly mean that the United States did something so horrible, that everyone was against them. Since I qualify Canada as being more aligned with Europe, they'd definately fit right in and start a northern offensive against the border, backed by British/German/Swedish troops transported from Iceland. Since it will take the United States almost six months to mobilize the Naval Blockade you're talking about, the European troops would definately have enough time to land in Canada and be ready for battle by the time the blockade hits the Atlantic. While the Northern Offensive kicks off, a European Naval fleet, in preparation while the US Fleet was being put together, would attack the American fleet in the Atlantic. This of course provoking the Americans to send more Ships towards the Atlantic, which in turn leaving the Pacific Ocean clear for the Russians.

( This is fun, hah. This is all in good fun, I don't hate you or America or anything..lol. oOo: )

[Zoner]

Originally Posted by Innoxx

Canada would invade from the north

We would? Cool. cool:

[quote=Innoxx]

Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":156f6

about Alfa:

I doubt Russia would side with continental Europe, old suspicions die hard, plus Europe was being pretty whiny about defending Chechen terrorists' "rights" while the US more or less supports Russia's actions.

Yes, but the question was the United States vs. Europe, where the hell is Russia?

Besides, if the USA invaded Europe, you'd be going up against the whole world. Far more countries have ties with Europe and than America. China would counter attack from the west and you'd be fighting on two fronts. UK, France, Spain and Italy would invade the eastern seaboard. Canada would invade from the north backed by the Russians and Chinese and This mock war would be over.[/quote:156f6]

but that's just the thing, you can't just lump Europe in all together.
they're a mess of countries all with their different views. In my analysis I assumed "Old Europe" (France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Spain, Balkan states, etc. etc.)
with Russia in the mix there would be problems, since the original question said Europe we assume China stays the hell out of this conflict.

[quote=Ferich]

Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":b7d32

It depends on the US objectives. Europe has no way to attack the US across miles of ocean covered by 12 carrier battle groups, around 30 688i SSNs, something like 500 F-15s and 2000 F-16s.

Europe has a shitty French carrier and 2 British Harrier-carriers (somehow I think the British would side with the US)
the US has 12 fleet carriers and 12 LHAs (double as Harrier-carrier) plus dozens of Aegis cruisers and destroyers. Aegis, being designed to counter Soviet "Granit" (NATO SS-N-20 Shipwreck) anti-ship missiles, can shoot down anything anyone can throw at it biggrin:

A land invasion would be more difficult, but the US could easily blockade water shipping routes to Europe.

Most of that is true besides the fact of Canada. I most certaintly believe that the Canadian's would side with Europe. And we're not going to take Russia or British and turn them around into US Allies, mainly because Office Depot said USA vs Europe. So that would most certainly mean that the United States did something so horrible, that everyone was against them. Since I qualify Canada as being more aligned with Europe, they'd definately fit right in and start a northern offensive against the border, backed by British/German/Swedish troops transported from Iceland. Since it will take the United States almost six months to mobilize the Naval Blockade you're talking about, the European troops would definately have enough time to land in Canada and be ready for battle by the time the blockade hits the Atlantic. While the Northern Offensive kicks off, a European Naval fleet, in preparation while the US Fleet was being put together, would attack the American fleet in the Atlantic. This of course provoking the Americans to send more Ships towards the Atlantic, which in turn leaving the Pacific Ocean clear for the Russians.

( This is fun, hah. This is all in good fun, I don't hate you or America or anything..lol. oOo: )[/quote:b7d32]

Canada would be in civil war between the conservative western Canadians and the eastern liberal "froggies". Canada's west sides more with the US (From what I understand from talking with some of these folks they hate the mainly leftist governmet, especially their gun laws)

[Ferich]

I see myself punching Office Depot for not giving us background information on how it happened.

[Sicilian_Summers]

Hmm..

The United States would be fighting a defensive war almost entirely, as it has no staging ground for an invasion of Europe.

If Canada did happen to side with Europe (which it would most likely do), European forces would have perfect staging grounds for an invasion. The border is so large that any type of patrol or line couldn't possibly hold.