[Tiwaz]

Originally Posted by Argon

For an in depth discussion about this read this link from the Captain Obvious forum.

http://www.captain-obvious.com/forums/s ... readid=593

Why would I do that? We can have our own in depth discussion here. Why sniff other people's assholes if we can expose our own.

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Tiwaz

Are you one of God's henchmen? You know who goes to hell? No. That's what I hate about the church as well. Say 100 'Hail Maries' and you're saved. Easy eh?

I don't believe it works that way. I believe (believe because I am not sure) that if God exists, he will not punish a non-believer that has lived a good life by sending him or her to hell.

I bet you are most likely one of them Christians who actually thinks he is better off and a better person because he is such a firm believer (wow, you pity atheists, very good). Go to church every Sunday, pray a lot and stuff. I have news for you. Thinking you are better than another human being is a sin. We are all equally of value. If you are not such a person, consider this to be a message for people who are. Because I have seen so many Christians who think they are better than the non-believer. It is those people who are most likely to use religion as an excuse for war. Win some souls for God. Because they think they are so right.

You know as well as I do that there are some people here that would go to Hell if they died today. I'm not going to name any names because they probably know who they are. I've never met a Christian that said they are better than the non-beilever. We aren't like that. I myself have NEVER said that I am better than a non-beilever. They are just misinformed. I'll bet there are some people who donate to charity every day that is a non-beilever. You jump to conlusions and say that I think myself as a better person than a non-beilever. That's hypocracy. Jesus says ''Treat everyone as you would like to be treated.'' I never treat someone with disrespect unless they show disrespect towards me. Making fun of something I beileve in is an insult towards me, and yes I will call someone who insults my religion a fool because they do not know the truth. I feel sorry for them as well.

[Argon]

Originally Posted by Tiwaz

Why would I do that? We can have our own in depth discussion here. Why sniff other people's assholes if we can expose our own.

Because the mental capacity of the some of the people on this forum is not enough to fill a glass of water.

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

Cough me cough

[Innoxx]

Yeah, people who view religious ideas like Vance are the reason we have holy wars in the first place. I know he's still a very young and naive person who has alot of lessons to learn so I'll leave him alone about that part.

I've been there, I was baptised Catholic, both sides of my family are devout Catholics, I went to Catholic schools, went to mass two times a week, read the bible on a nightly basis, confessed my sins regularly and even went on a Religious pilgrimage in The Philippines. When my life started to hit the shitter I prayed to Jesus and kept the faith hoping that God would help out in one way or another. One day though, I thought real hard about it all and I just said "fuck it, fuck all this religious shit. People get killed on a daily basis for their religious beliefs, I'm not dying for an invisible man that doesn't do shit for me."

So from that day on I live for myself and the people I care about. I threw away all my rosaries, crosses; anything religion related. For now, I couldn't be more content. I have a roof over my head, food on the table and a love in my life. I am essentially, free. So thinking back I've realised that religion is just a waste, you just simply have to live for yourself.

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Innoxx

Yeah, people who view religious ideas like Vance are the reason we have holy wars in the first place. I know he's still a very young and naive person who has alot of lessons to learn so I'll leave him alone about that part.

What in the name of Allah are you talking about?

[Innoxx]

Originally Posted by Vance1

What in the name of Allah are you talking about?

You'll understand later in life.

[Tiwaz]

Originally Posted by Vance1

You know as well as I do that there are some people here that would go to Hell if they died today. I'm not going to name any names because they probably know who they are.

I don't. I don't judge people by the way they post. I have not seen that many true blasphemous posts on that forum. Or is flaming or saying fuck a sin? This is just the internet.

Originally Posted by Vance1

I've never met a Christian that said they are better than the non-beilever. We aren't like that.

I have met lots of them. Some are like that.

Originally Posted by Vance1

I myself have NEVER said that I am better than a non-beilever. They are just misinformed. I'll bet there are some people who donate to charity every day that is a non-beilever.

You have never said that on this forum, I'll admit that. Donating to charity does not mean you are a good person. Donating to charity is the one of the easiest things a person can do to make himself feel like a better person.

Originally Posted by Vance1

You jump to conlusions and say that I think myself as a better person than a non-beilever. That's hypocracy. Jesus says ''Treat everyone as you would like to be treated.' I never treat someone with disrespect unless they show disrespect towards me. Making fun of something I beileve in is an insult towards me, and yes I will call someone who insults my religion a fool because they do not know the truth. I feel sorry for them as well.

Making fun of someone is not always disrespectful. It keeps you and other people sharp. Hurting someone on purpose is. People who insult religion are, too. I have not seen insults in this thread, only opinions, pretty civilized for AA.com I'd say. I guess I was jumping to conclusions, yes. But I have seen too many people who 'pity non-believers', using it as a euphemism for 'I am better'.

[Vance]

What, that God doesn't answer my prayers? Why don't you go up to my youth minister and tell him ''You'll understand later in life.'' Because he wouldn't be here today if it weren't for Christ.

[Innoxx]

Originally Posted by Vance1

What, that God doesn't answer my prayers? Why don't you go up to my youth minister and tell him ''You'll understand later in life.'' Because he wouldn't be here today if it weren't for Christ.

How did Jesus save his life?

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Tiwaz

But I have seen too many people who 'pity non-believers', using it as a euphemism for 'I am better'.

Well, that's not how I use it. As I said, I feel sorry for the non beilevers, which is pretty much the same thing as pitying someone.

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Innoxx

How did Jesus save his life?

Let's just say he was really screwed up. Getting drunk almost every other day and going out and almost killing himself in a car accident. He was just really messed up and he needed help so he turned to Christ.....in turn, Christ changed his life around and now he is our youth minister. I am sure I am missing alot of things on his life but that's the jist. May I ask how your life became bad?

[Innoxx]

Originally Posted by Vance1

Let's just say he was really screwed up. Getting drunk almost every other day and going out and almost killing himself in a car accident. He was just really messed up and he needed help so he turned to Christ.....in turn, Christ changed his life around and now he is our youth minister. I am sure I am missing alot of things on his life but that's the jist. May I ask how your life became bad?

Heh, I'm the total opposite of him. My life changed for the better when I knocked off all this god shit. Hmmm, it was mostly due to my parents. Things started to get rocky, my mother got addicted to heroin and my father and I moved out. Then about three months later he died from a stroke. My mother ran off something and my only relatives left were my brother (in prison) and my uncle (who was on a sabbatical in South Africa). I was alone. I had no money, no shelter, no food. I had to sleep on the streets for almost a month. Basically, I had hit rock bottom, my life couldn't suck more. So as I was sitting on the stairs of the church I basically had a moment of clarity and basically told Jesus to feck off and denounced my religious beliefs since they really didn't help much. So finally a social worker comes along and throws me in a group home (aka: Orphanage) where I stayed for a couple more months. I hated it there and eventually I worked out a deal with one of my friends and I ran away and crashed at his place for awhile.

I stayed there for almost a year. I got the odd job here and there and I collected my father's death benefits and I was saving up some serious cash. Well that unxle I was talking about earlier died in a car accident and he willed me his house. So here I am today, living in my late uncles house, girlfriend cooking breakfast, and a BMW in the driveway. I am content.

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

err not to be mean or offensive but technically you were a Hobo?

[Innoxx]

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":ee0c9]err not to be mean or offensive but technically you were a Hobo?[/quote:ee0c9]

Yup, definition of rock bottom.