[Dr. Deleto]

this reminds me of a song (how ironic) that I heard long ago...

"And he leaned out of his giant hot wheels toy and screamed what every dumb redneck screams..*Hey you Faggot!*..So I picked up a rock and before I knew it, I had put a big dent in the side of his giant hot wheels toy!"

Just trying to point out the fact that this argument is all in the eys of the beholder. Your personal preference is going to interfere with your point of view here regardless of what facts you can spout. The facts are strong for both sides here, and probably right for both sides. I personally am leaning towards Ed's argument since I do agree that you can't forget about the small crimes just so you can get to the big ones. Just don't think this is a justifiable argument since noone will obviously be able to prove the other wrong in the end.

[quote="ED!":45123][quote="Sgt Stryker":45123][quote="ED!":45123]Whats your argument then? That your ISP should be doing what, breaking down the doors of hackers? I mean youre saying alot of nothing. So whats your - i mean position whatever the hell it is what is it. All we've heard is - its not my ISP's job to give up folks who are breaking the law.[/quote:45123]

no you idiot, ISPs should be focusing their resources on working with the FBI to stop cyber-terrorism, they can't do that with RIAA taking their manpower away to chase down pirates.[/quote:45123]

To them - THIS SHOULD BE your isps main concern - ferrreting out people who are breaking the law and taking food off their tables. Maybe you can grow the hell up and actually look at both sides of the issue before dismissing things outright as if you have any real expertise on the matter. Until you show me a Degree in Logistics I'll call your "strategies" and "recommendations" bullshit.[/quote:45123]


why again should piracy be ISPs' main concern?
Does it cause more monetary damage than hackers?
what about viruses?
do you have proof that it caouses more damage?

Why do you love hackers so much that you want them to be a secondary priority of ISP?
Don't answer that, you're one of the fools who was involved in the "NWO" bullshit that went down here (an illegal takeover I might add) so who are you to talk about illegal internet activities.

[ED!]

[quote:883d5]why again should piracy be ISPs' main concern?
Does it cause more monetary damage than hackers?
what about viruses?
do you have proof that it caouses more damage?[/quote:883d5]

Do you have proof that it doesnt. No see I'm not gonna use that kinda bullshit logic I'll let you take that route. Youre arguing an intagible point my friend, one that deals in unquantifiable values. I'm looking at fact. FACT is people are breaking the law. Fact is law enforcement agencies are chartered to go after these people who break the law. Fact is potential sales COULD translate into real dollars and real dollars arent going to their rightful owners. Fact is there already are divisions in the FBI to handle BOTH cases presented before you so NO there are no "omg put down that Hacker-Tracer-2000B Bob, we've got Kazaa users to catch!". Fact is as harmful as hackers are, there are CARTELS of music/softare/digital media providers operating in more than one country, and the trafficking of this information is big business.

[quote:883d5]Why do you love hackers so much that you want them to be a secondary priority of ISP?[/quote:883d5]

Actually - you're the one arguing that there are definable priorities and that one is robbing the other when that is the farthest from the truth. The fact of the matter is, much like with murder, rape, etc - cant combat it until it occurs.

[quote:883d5]Don't answer that, you're one of the fools who was involved in the "NWO" bullshit that went down here (an illegal takeover I might add) so who are you to talk about illegal internet activities.[/quote:883d5]

Illegal? What was so illegal about giving another person admin powers who then used those admin powers. Interesting. It was done before. Seems you're batting .000 with your "facts" there buddy. Here's my interpretation of Stryker -

[img]http://www.presidentmoron.com/headupass.jpg[/img]

[quote="ED!":f50bc][quote:f50bc]why again should piracy be ISPs' main concern?
Does it cause more monetary damage than hackers?
what about viruses?
do you have proof that it caouses more damage?[/quote:f50bc]

Do you have proof that it doesnt. No see I'm not gonna use that kinda bullshit logic I'll let you take that route. Youre arguing an intagible point my friend, one that deals in unquantifiable values. I'm looking at fact. FACT is people are breaking the law. Fact is law enforcement agencies are chartered to go after these people who break the law. Fact is potential sales COULD translate into real dollars and real dollars arent going to their rightful owners. Fact is there already are divisions in the FBI to handle BOTH cases presented before you so NO there are no "omg put down that Hacker-Tracer-2000B Bob, we've got Kazaa users to catch!". Fact is as harmful as hackers are, there are CARTELS of music/softare/digital media providers operating in more than one country, and the trafficking of this information is big business.

[/quote:f50bc]

"A study released earlier this month by Information Week Research reported that hacker attacks cost the world economy a whopping $1.6 trillion this year. The most costly culprit in terms of total dollar value is the virus.
The so-called Love Bug virus, proliferated by e-mail earlier this year, caused an estimated $2.61 billion in damage."
([url="http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/3951.html"]http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/3951.html[/url])

unquantifiable huh?

"Industry estimates indicate the software industry worldwide loses
$12,000 million annually from all types of piracy, he said, and the
music industry estimates losses at $4,100 million annually."
(http://www.usemb.gov.do/IRC/dpi/dpi17.htm)

I will let the statistics speak for themselves.

once again, I am not talking about the FBI, I am talking about individual ISPs who have to participate actively in stopping hackers, pirates, or both.
If you think ISPs have extra employees who sit around waiting for RIAA to make another "request" then that picture pertains more to you than me.

[ED!]

WHOA WHOA WHOA! - Noone said anything about virus's. You're sitting here talking about Hackers, and the only example you used dealt with someone breaking into the Cancer Hoohah and deleting their files. But again the fact remains youre arguing an unquatifiable point. Reread the reply to see what I'm talking about. But yes, here is something for you running out and pointing out the obvious to us. . .

[img]http://www.lepra.org.uk/cookie.gif[/img]

[quote="ED!":c21f7]WHOA WHOA WHOA! - Noone said anything about virus's. You're sitting here talking about Hackers, and the only example you used dealt with someone breaking into the Cancer Hoohah and deleting their files. But again the fact remains youre arguing an unquatifiable point. Reread the reply to see what I'm talking about. But yes, here is something for you running out and pointing out the obvious to us. . .

[img]http://www.lepra.org.uk/cookie.gif[/img][/quote:c21f7]

if you didn't notice I was talking about hackers AND viruses, reread the flamewar please.

I have also used blaster as an example (remember the damn worm that spread practically worldwide in a week)

in fact hackers and viruse makers go hand in hand now. Blaster is more of an "autohack" than it is a "true" virus, because it invites itself into your computer using a windows security issue, where a "true" virus has to be brought on your machine via E-mail, and infected disk, or an infected download, ie by a mistake made by the user.

[ED!]

Still is tossing information out there that is relevant really to the point - youre trying to define priorities here.

[Reppirt]

Hahaha, RIAA can suck this fat dick.....!

4,500 Mp3s down here, BizNitches!

[ED!]

Originally Posted by Reppirt

Hahaha, RIAA can suck this fat dick.....!

4,500 Mp3s down here, BizNitches!

Yea but. . . u live in New Zealand. . .isnt Xena your president. . . oOo:

[ShagNasty]

[quote:f49d1]Yea but. . . u live in New Zealand. . .isnt Xena your president[/quote:f49d1]

lmao

[Ydiss]

I agree with Stryker. There are bigger fish to fry than a few hundred people who download 500-1gb worth of illegal music in sub-CD format.

And I don't think he's saying they should be ignored and what they're doing is not illegal either, so where's the argument?

He's clearly upset at this article because he feels there are more important things for the world to be worried about. And I agree.

Facts don't need to prove that (but the $1.3 trillion thing helped, lol).

[Reppirt]

[quote="ED!":f99b0]

Originally Posted by Reppirt

Hahaha, RIAA can suck this fat dick.....!

4,500 Mp3s down here, BizNitches!

Yea but. . . u live in New Zealand. . .isnt Xena your president. . . oOo:[/quote:f99b0]

lol.......Tis' better than Bush. biggrin:

[Ydiss]

[quote=Reppirt]

Originally Posted by "ED!":3860f

Yea but. . . u live in New Zealand. . .isnt Xena your president. . . oOo:

lol.......Tis' better than Bush. biggrin:[/quote:3860f] Lol, is better than Blair.

[Jasper]

I went ahead and skipped to pg4 after ED! owned you all (who woulda thunk it ED!?).

There is no morality whatsoever in ILLEGAL file sharing. None. Period.

I am a HUGE warezer myself but I dont delude myself that what Im doing is illegal as shit. When the RIAA hands me a subponea Im not going to cry about it. Well, I'll cry about it but...

Warez is here to stay kiddies, in one form or another. If there is an anti-RIAA P2P app creatable some one will create it.

[1080jibber]

Originally Posted by Reppirt

Hahaha, RIAA can suck this fat dick.....!

4,500 Mp3s down here, BizNitches!

8,285 here beeyotchhhhh biggrin: