Upgrading RAM - PC3200 - Page 3

Himmler · 02-27-2004, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pest

Moderate gains at best IMO.

The xp2800 barton is only available in the 333fsb. So ignoring overclocking, ddr2700 is the best match, you will not realize any gains by getting faster ram than that. The motherboard is rated for 400fsb, but its bottlenecked by the cpu. Currently you are bottlenecked at your ram. It is running at the ddr 2100 speed or a front side bus (FSB) of 266. That is negating any advatage you have with the xp2800 (333fsb) and the fast (and nice) mobo (400fsb).

So by upping your ram speeds to a minimum of ddr2700, you will effctively be increasing your system fsb to 333 from 266. This will roughly equate to the difference between a xp2200 and an xp2500 333 - both run at a core freq. of 1800mhz with the fsb increase making the difference of the named speed. You might still wnat ot consider teh 3200 as I dont think its much more expensive than the ddr2700 if any at all.

BUT, (theres always a but) I am not sure how much difference the dual channel ddr will make and I cant be bothered to look it up right now. Maybe sloi can enlighten us on that or you could go search for benchmarks on tomhardware.com or somewhere similar. Just remember that (theoretically) ram that is twice as fast, still doesnt equate to a system that is twice as fast or twice the framerate. Its only part of the full picture.

I think this is all accurate as it is all off the top of my head, but feel free to point out any mistakes.

1 quick question..its possible to overclock my FBS right? i got liquid cooling so heat isnt really an issue. i tried overclocking before, but moh kept crashing when i did. any help there?

Himmler · 02-27-2004, 08:53 PM

[quote="Short Hand":8e0ea]how in fuck are you currently mixing 2 diffrent type of ram speeds ?. It is impossible / Unstable. upgrade to 400mhz bus speed ram. corsair, oz , kingston, samsung even. high speed ram should not be cheap name brands. + how are you currently mixing 2 types ?[/quote:8e0ea]

i dont know, i just put them in and it works

[GDC]_Polemarcus · 02-27-2004, 09:41 PM

Anyway... to answer youre question. Dual channel will make a huge difference in graphical applications. Not necessarily games... but large photoshop files, CAD/CAM, modeling etc...

Not exactly sure how dual channel works, but my benchmarks are though the roof with 2 GB of dual channel 3200

pest · 02-27-2004, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Himmler

1 quick question..its possible to overclock my FBS right? i got liquid cooling so heat isnt really an issue. i tried overclocking before, but moh kept crashing when i did. any help there?

Yes, you can overclock your FSB. Your motherboard actually is one of the better ones out there for overclocking because it unlocks the multiplier as well as the FSB. If you were to overclock, the ddr3200 is better since it can go up to a fsb of 400 before it gets overclocked. That means you wouldnt need to mess with the voltages as you surpass the speed ratings. The barton cpu is also a good overclocker and the watercooling is a definate plus.

Overclocking is a risky thing though. Definatley read up on it a bit before you start and lurk on some of the overclocking forums. You will definately learn a bit about the architecture of your pc if you do. Baby steps is the way to move and with your mobo, a combo of bumpning up the fsb and the multiplier is the way to go, but I am not familiar with the specifics.

Himmler · 02-28-2004, 04:36 PM

alright dude thanks, but i do have 1 more question/request...
can you go to http://www.outpost.com and find some good ram there that i could buy so i can just go pick it up at frys instead of ordering it from the net? thanks biggrin:

ShagNasty · 02-29-2004, 07:02 PM

fsb cant be over clocked that is more like a hardware thing. fsb is how many connections there is to your cpu.

SoLiDUS · 02-29-2004, 07:38 PM

It's the speed at which information flows to and from your CPU.

You can boost the FSB but be careful not to overdo it because you might
end up having to acquire a new processor because of your carelessness ...

ShagNasty · 02-29-2004, 08:43 PM

you CAN NOT over clock fsb. come on people dont be dumb. its how mant conection you have to cpu on mobo. you can not change that. end of story. get an a+ book reads and learn.

SoLiDUS · 02-29-2004, 09:12 PM

I'm not talking about physically augmenting the CPU FSB: that is not a
variable. What IS, however, is your motherboard's FSB. You can fuck w/
the multipliers and select a higher speed than originally permitted. Also
remember that most CPUs can go higher than their rated speed but are
locked so as to insure a stable system. You just need to insure proper
cooling of your hardware, lest you want them to overheat and die. O/Cing
is a reality: deal with it...

pest · 03-01-2004, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShagNasty

you CAN NOT over clock fsb. come on people dont be dumb. its how mant conection you have to cpu on mobo. you can not change that. end of story. get an a+ book reads and learn.

OMG you wow us all with your 1337 knowlegde of A+. Motherboards actually support a range of fsb speeds thru their bios but only advertise their stock speed.

Read here b00n.

http://www.ocforums.com/archive/thread/263753-1.html

Heres a nice long article that goes into much detail, but this page in particular should interest you:

http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?d ... 76&dPage=3

Here is a whole page of articles that all refer to oveclocking the front side bus.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U ... de&spell=1

Himmler · 03-01-2004, 03:39 PM

thanks pest for the links, ill read them.
and solidus heat isnt really an issue since i get really low temps on my cpu with my cooling. biggrin:

Short Hand · 03-01-2004, 05:23 PM

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=2.

All the experts on overclocking and all you need to know. gl. All the help you could ever need is their.

geRV · 03-01-2004, 05:42 PM

[quote="Short Hand":b1b18]http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=2.

All the experts on overclocking and all you need to know. gl. All the help you could ever need is their.[/quote:b1b18]

That used to be a good site till kyle the owner was found to be messing with scores from graphics cards benchmarks. annoy:

Short Hand · 03-01-2004, 10:14 PM

[quote=Gerard]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":e4409

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=2.

All the experts on overclocking and all you need to know. gl. All the help you could ever need is their.

That used to be a good site till kyle the owner was found to be messing with scores from graphics cards benchmarks. annoy:[/quote:e4409]

Ya i know...also the fatc that the nazi mods killed my 3 favourite forums, Web Linkage worth clicking, GenMAY, and the all might soapbox. The forum though is more a community of members though and not Kyle from OCP. So these guyz have nothing to lie for I guess.

Falcon-NW · 03-02-2004, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pest

Moderate gains at best IMO.

The xp2800 barton is only available in the 333fsb. So ignoring overclocking, ddr2700 is the best match, you will not realize any gains by getting faster ram than that. The motherboard is rated for 400fsb, but its bottlenecked by the cpu. Currently you are bottlenecked at your ram. It is running at the ddr 2100 speed or a front side bus (FSB) of 266. That is negating any advatage you have with the xp2800 (333fsb) and the fast (and nice) mobo (400fsb).

So by upping your ram speeds to a minimum of ddr2700, you will effctively be increasing your system fsb to 333 from 266. This will roughly equate to the difference between a xp2200 and an xp2500 333 - both run at a core freq. of 1800mhz with the fsb increase making the difference of the named speed. You might still wnat ot consider teh 3200 as I dont think its much more expensive than the ddr2700 if any at all.

BUT, (theres always a but) I am not sure how much difference the dual channel ddr will make and I cant be bothered to look it up right now. Maybe sloi can enlighten us on that or you could go search for benchmarks on tomhardware.com or somewhere similar. Just remember that (theoretically) ram that is twice as fast, still doesnt equate to a system that is twice as fast or twice the framerate. Its only part of the full picture.

I think this is all accurate as it is all off the top of my head, but feel free to point out any mistakes.

w00t......finally..

the fastest thing you can do for your pc right now is to TAKE OUT THE 266 MHZ RAM! you sys will then be operating at 333MHz (yay). then you can choose to buy more ram or not, but get that shitty ram outta there. The only reason you would want 400MHz ram, is if you were going to overclock your shit, then you'll want the faster ram so you can increase your fsb on your processor. if you arent going to overclock, just stick w/ 2700(333MHz), but regardless if you are or arent, take out the 2100 ram, its slowing your sys down