[Short Hand]

Also though what other hidden motives are their for Bush being in Iraq ? I feel if the government was more upfront about this stuff their would be a more positive response about all of this.

[intrestedviewer]

Lets face it, every president after JFK has been an asshat. happy:

[Drew]

When it comes down to it, I guess I really don't have a big problem with Liberals in the broadest of terms. My problem is with what is referred to as Progressive Liberalism.

These are the people who refuse to support our troops. These are the people bolstering the ridiculous antics of the ACLU and NAACP. The people who want "One Nation Under God" removed from the Constitution.

Progressive Liberalism is extremism, much like Extreme Conservatism is equally insane. Progressivism just scares me more because they literally seem to thrive on absolute anarchy.

[TonyMontana]

I can't understand how people cant support their troops. They are putting their lives on the line for these stupid bastards that sit at home on the couch and bitch and cry that everything is wrong

[Madmartagen]

I dont know, but it doesnt seem likely that a medic should happen upon those statistics himself. I would say he was told that or given a piece of paper equivalent to mission statements you get at work from management. Still I can name a hundred good things that were created by the coalition invasion. On the other hand I can list one bad thing for every good. Its really hard to say, because the Iraqi people really needed our help, but it really doesnt seem worth it after you look at all the problems that came with it. I think we should change our strategy. Moving our forces to the remote countryside would be a good thing, I agree with Eames oOo: because then the irregulars wont be able to blend in with the civilian population. If they even think they can fight us conventionally, they would be annhiliated. But if you move out to the countryside, you let the enemy move in and recruit, bully, and fleece off the population even with a police force (especially one with questionable loyalties).

[snipes]

Originally Posted by Noctis

Are all of you ignorant, media-guzzling fucks or what? I'm so God damned sick and tired of all the people who bash Bush and the war and whatever else just because bullshit Progressive Liberalism is the cool thing to follow right now.

First of all, I grew up in the Norfolk, VA area, home to the largest naval base in the world. I lived there for eight years until I moved to Myrtle Beach a few years ago. Needless to say, many of my friends ended up joining one branch of the Armed Forces or another. I keep in contact with all of them via e-mail and I have yet to hear any of them repeat all the negative bullshit from the media.

And I'm not talking about reservists. I'm talking about a Lance Corporal in the Marines whose job it is to run ammo from the trucks to the front line infantry. I'm talking about a Lieutenant who is a helicopter pilot for the SEALs and has been doing hostile drops since before major combat was officially declared. I'm talking about a Private who is a radio repairman for the Army and a PFC with a front-line Engineering Division.

Yes, all of them want to come home. Some of them are scared. All of them miss their family and friends. But they also all agree that what we see here at home is total bullshit. The majority of the country is doing better than it ever has. Education and economic prosperity are reaching unprecedented levels. But the media is too locked on the obvious strife in the larger cities where it's easier for militants to cause chaos.

Irregardless of whether you feel we went for the right reason, it's time to think differently. Do we want this to be the Vietnam of our generation? Already the Progressive Liberal fuckheads are harassing soldiers returning from battle. The same men and women who followed orders and put their life on the line in the defense of freedom and democracy. And maybe you don't believe that we went there for those reasons, but those soldiers fought with that belief in their minds, and it isn't fair to withdraw our support now.

And whoever it was that asked if it was worth the deaths of hundreds of Americans: What the fuck is wrong with you? This is something I hear echoed constantly by Liberals, which is probably the absolute pinnacle of their hypocracy. The very same people who scream and whine about the equality of different races and cultures, who sue the shit out of anyone who even thinks about allowing something so petty as nationality affect their judgement, are the very same ones who are implying that American lives are somehow more valuable than the lives of any other human being on this planet. Yes, hundreds of Americans died. But let's ignore the fact that during the last two decades, Sadaam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of 2 million human beings. That's an average of 100,000 people murdered each year, most of them simply for following the Shi'ite sect of Islam or for being born of the Kurd ethnicity.

Death is rarely justifiable, and I'd venture to say that it is very rarely worth it. But in this case, the sacrafices of the brave few will end in the liberation of the great many. So before you repeat what the media spoon feeds to you, try talking to a soldier. Try talking to an Iraqi. Go get the reels of footage from the CNN vaults of the Iraqis talking about how much better their lives are, that you'll never see because optimism never makes good television.

I'm sure the flames will begin shortly, they always do. So I'll pre-empt and say this:

Fuck Liberals. fire2:

Well said

Originally Posted by Noctis

When it comes down to it, I guess I really don't have a big problem with Liberals in the broadest of terms. My problem is with what is referred to as Progressive Liberalism.

These are the people who refuse to support our troops. These are the people bolstering the ridiculous antics of the ACLU and NAACP. The people who want "One Nation Under God" removed from the Constitution.

Progressive Liberalism is extremism, much like Extreme Conservatism is equally insane. Progressivism just scares me more because they literally seem to thrive on absolute anarchy.

what exactly is wrong about removing "One Nation Under God" from the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ; considering that it was not in the original and was added after the red scare
rolleyes:

[Drew]

It has more to do with the precedent that would then be set, Stryker.

Every piece of currency would need to be recalled and destroyed to remove the words "In God We Trust" from them. That alone would have a huge economic impact.

That aside, this is the only democracy I've ever seen in my life where an 80% majority has less say than a vocal 5% minority.

[Pvt.Pinhead]

I dont think the marines or 101st think any different, if your a soldier, your ready to die for what ever reason your country tells you to, and especially if your helping ppl at the same time, I dont care if its the USA or Iraq but we are still helping ppl, and were doing a good job, Id die for this cause, and I think we should evem send 1000's of more troops over there, also that whole Iraqi prisoner thing, he deserved worse then what they did to him...

[SW-14]

Has anyone else noticed that when there's good news out of Iraq, it's automatically labeled as propaganda, but bad news is always unquestionably accepted as the truth?

[Infection_Smith@]

[quote="SW-14":532c8]Has anyone else noticed that when there's good news out of Iraq, it's automatically labeled as propaganda, but bad news is always unquestionably accepted as the truth?[/quote:532c8]

This is because people are sceptical about the reliabilty of this information how subjective the source is. If An american gives bad news people are sure its unbias and not propaganda. Its the contrary if an American says something good, people who are humans are easily judgemental. It would be less likely to be believed. You need something good coming out of an Iraqi's mouth to trusted as true.
This shows how much the world distrust America.

[Madmartagen]

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":8ed74]I dont think the marines or 101st think any different, if your a soldier, your ready to die for what ever reason your country tells you to, and especially if your helping ppl at the same time, I dont care if its the USA or Iraq but we are still helping ppl, and were doing a good job, Id die for this cause, and I think we should evem send 1000's of more troops over there, also that whole Iraqi prisoner thing, he deserved worse then what they did to him...[/quote:8ed74]

I think its funny how 15 and 17 year old kids form their own opinion about how and when it is appropriate for others to die. If you are so keen on this war, skip the ROTC and sign up because most of the soldiers probably havent been through ROTC or the academy, you should do just fine. As for the prisoners, who are you to say that they deserved what they got? Some of those people arent even fighters, they are just bystanders rounded up for questioning. We sent our army over there and our leaders say how great we are for having such a democratic system and that we are liberating them. Those MPs arent any better than the people our soldiers are looking for. How can you say those men deserve it but cry out when our soldiers are tortured too? We are supposed to be better than that, we are supposed to set an example. How are we going to convice the Iraqi citizens to not support the radical clerics if we are beating and killing people in jail? Those MPs just made the world alot more dangerous for our own troops. Why do you think every general, every cabinet member and even the President himself is disgusted with this? These few MPs practically dishonored and unraveled the image we are trying to uphold in the middle east. Before you decide who deserves to fight, die and be tortured, maybe you should think a little more about the situation. annoy:

[[GDC]_Polemarcus]

Overall the media paints a picture of Iraq which is far worse than the true reality of past wars. So please don't blame one man for the faults in our country, heres my list of things that Bush has done right...


There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.... in the fair city of Detroit (Michigan) there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq!

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquidthingy.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

You will probably never find a president that you support 100% Yes there are things that need to be fixed, however they are far more trivial than the threat of terrorism on our own soil.

[negative]

one reason why it took less time to take iraq is because we skipped certain cities--the cities that we are now fighting and dieng in everyday. We had troops in afghanistan before 911--we didnt get what we wanted in Afghanistan so we went to iraq-bush knew the public would support, and make him look like a wartime hero president

[Pvt.Pinhead]

[quote=Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by "Pvt.Pinhead":61eef

I dont think the marines or 101st think any different, if your a soldier, your ready to die for what ever reason your country tells you to, and especially if your helping ppl at the same time, I dont care if its the USA or Iraq but we are still helping ppl, and were doing a good job, Id die for this cause, and I think we should evem send 1000's of more troops over there, also that whole Iraqi prisoner thing, he deserved worse then what they did to him...

I think its funny how 15 and 17 year old kids form their own opinion about how and when it is appropriate for others to die. If you are so keen on this war, skip the ROTC and sign up because most of the soldiers probably havent been through ROTC or the academy, you should do just fine. As for the prisoners, who are you to say that they deserved what they got? Some of those people arent even fighters, they are just bystanders rounded up for questioning. We sent our army over there and our leaders say how great we are for having such a democratic system and that we are liberating them. Those MPs arent any better than the people our soldiers are looking for. How can you say those men deserve it but cry out when our soldiers are tortured too? We are supposed to be better than that, we are supposed to set an example. How are we going to convice the Iraqi citizens to not support the radical clerics if we are beating and killing people in jail? Those MPs just made the world alot more dangerous for our own troops. Why do you think every general, every cabinet member and even the President himself is disgusted with this? These few MPs practically dishonored and unraveled the image we are trying to uphold in the middle east. Before you decide who deserves to fight, die and be tortured, maybe you should think a little more about the situation. annoy:[/quote:61eef]

I would love to sign up and go to Iraq!!! But im only 16 and thats too young, when Im 18 though and there is a war Ill drop school imidiantly and join!!