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[quote="Short Hand":dd173]^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.[/quote:dd173]

no, the fucking moors entered into spain in the 700's and made there way all the way into france which they would have conquered along with all of western europe if it hadnt been for charles martel, or charles "the hammer" who in 715 i believe beat the shit out of the saracen scum at the battle of tours. the muslims withdrew back to spain but still raided the french coast and italy constantly. and to correct all of you the crusades started after the byzantine emperor lost the battle of manzikert in 1071 which basicly left all of asia minor and palestine open to the seljuk turks who took control of these territories shortly after the battle. the byzantine emperor was desperate for help and sent a letter to the pope asking him for western assistance, the emperor expected a few thousand knights and some other professional soldiers....he got a crusade.