[Coleman]

stfu Judas

[snipes]

On one note, he had his own opinion about what he was called to do, and he expressed it and acted accordingly. I am not in his shoes, I have not seen what he has seen, so I really can't decide or not If he was right or not when he said he "was fighting Bush's war, not America's", but still, If you're called to service, you should follow the call...not run away from it; he wasn't drafted, he signed up, and whether or not you like it, you serve.

I also think that maybe he deserted for another reason; to make a point. I don't think a soldier would have been publicized as much as he was, If he would've just been expressing his opinion on the lines. Don't get me wrong, I would never be with desertion, I'm just trying to put myself in his place.

Trunks said, desertion is still desertion, no matter what the reason or cause may be, and he should be punished according to his actions. He went way too far.

BTW: Shorthand, he wasn't just questioning orders, he was questioning the whole war...and he wasn't just questioning, he was acting, and I think that brings it up to another level.

on the other hand, maybe its batter that he deserted than to keep him in a unit.
As soon as you step into the hostile zone the war isn't about oil/WMDs/freedom or any of that shit; its about keeping yourself and your buddies alive.
I don't agree with Bush, but if I was there I sure as hell would fight to protect my buddies, and I would expect the same effort of everyone in my platoon.

I definetly would not want to patrol with anyone who isn't willing to kill to save my life or his own.

[Pvt.Pinhead]

Yes that person deserves court martial!!!!! No one should ever desert their unit!!!!!!

[Eames]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":91447]he should not have deserted; can't he file for discharge or transfer to non-combat or stateside unit if hes a "conchi"?[/quote:91447]

no, he couldnt. when you sign up for the military you sign papers stating that you are not and never will be a "conscioncess objector". you also swear to obey all orders given to you and to respect the chain of command. the fact that this man is only getting a dishonorable discharge and a year in prison is a slap in the face to military discipline and everyone else who is sacraficing there lives overseas and not pussying out. wtf is this going to do to discipline in the ranks??? now soldiers know that they have the option to run away from there units whenever they are about to go into combat and the only thing that will happen is a year in prison....compared to possibly losing there life, think about the number of men that might try to pull this same shit because of the laxed punishment. people used to be shot for this kind of stuff, and were up to ww2.....this coward should have been shot like the coward he is for turn tailing and running, spitting in the faces of his fellow soldiers and leaving them out to dry is just pitiful.

[intrestedviewer]

A Vietnam vet that talked to our class said that he signed an anti war petition and some MPs saw him and arrested him. They were gonna put him in jail for 10 years just for that, but lucky for him a good officer got him out of it on the grounds that he was young and stupid.

[Milla]

Roast him rock:

[KTOG]

Good for him ... realizing he is no better than a murder.

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by KTOG

Good for him ... realizing he is no better than a murder.

i totally agree. I know i couldn't cope with torturing prisoners.

We dont know the exact details - we only know what we are told. But i certainly wouldnt call it deserting your unit

EAMES you stupid fuck - u think he should be shot? thats low. How would u like to be shot because u took drastic action to something u disagree with?

[KTOG]

I'm not even talking about the prison torturing.

Go get a gun. Walk up to a random guy on the street that you don't know ANYTHING about (you can't even under stand what he's saying). Watch the man cry, piss his pants, beg for his life. Look into his eyes and see that he is not much different than you. Pull the trigger.

[Eames]

Originally Posted by m1ck97

i totally agree. I know i couldn't cope with torturing prisoners.

We dont know the exact details - we only know what we are told. But i certainly wouldnt call it deserting your unit

EAMES you stupid fuck - u think he should be shot? thats low. How would u like to be shot because u took drastic action to something u disagree with?

because bottom line...hes a coward and a deserter. he knew damn well what he was getting in when he joined the military, you sign papers swearing that your not a consciounses objector before your allowed to join. and like i said before shit like this breaks down military discipline and is just plain shitty thing to do, what about all of the other soldiers who would rather be doing something else...but tuff it out and do their duty? It's simple, deserters should be shot end of story.

[Mr.Buttocks]

Originally Posted by Eames

because bottom line...hes a coward and a deserter. he knew damn well what he was getting in when he joined the military, you sign papers swearing that your not a consciounses objector before your allowed to join. and like i said before shit like this breaks down military discipline and is just plain shitty thing to do, what about all of the other soldiers who would rather be doing something else...but tuff it out and do their duty? It's simple, deserters should be shot end of story.

u r an intornet thug

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by Eames

because bottom line...hes a coward and a deserter. he knew damn well what he was getting in when he joined the military, you sign papers swearing that your not a consciounses objector before your allowed to join. and like i said before shit like this breaks down military discipline and is just plain shitty thing to do, what about all of the other soldiers who would rather be doing something else...but tuff it out and do their duty? It's simple, deserters should be shot end of story.

bet no one told him he was gonna be forced to kill/ torture iraqi prisoners tho - thats fuckin unhuman

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Eames

because bottom line...hes a coward and a deserter. he knew damn well what he was getting in when he joined the military, you sign papers swearing that your not a consciounses objector before your allowed to join. and like i said before shit like this breaks down military discipline and is just plain shitty thing to do, what about all of the other soldiers who would rather be doing something else...but tuff it out and do their duty? It's simple, deserters should be shot end of story.

This is a more civilized time Eames. People see that drastic measures are not always the best course of action, and that you should take many variables into consideration before you give the man any type of punishment. I agree he should be court marshalled, but shot, thats going a bit too far.

the guy that tortured Iraqi prisoners is no less a stain on America's honor than the deserter, perhaps even more; he only gets one year in prison, so I don't see how the other guy should get more, as his actions did not endanger his unit.
Now if he kept going out on patrols and stuff but didn't fight when attacked and some of our boys got killed, that's a different story.