[TGB!]

He's trying to use a straw man argument to bolster his claims. Lemme bring up Iraq, then tear it down, and indirectly tear down your other claims - lame.

Fact of the matter is SH is a google-expert. Nothing more. Foxnews is by no means afraid of hiding the partiality of its pundits - but that doesnt mean they dont lay into who they feel the need to. However for anyone to even think the media doesnt have a left bias is a fucking moron. I will have to grab what newspaper ran the story but the media swings DECIDEDLY to the left.

As for the debates - Bush and his handlers set this up first. Why? So they can get the touchy issue of Iraq out of the way FIRST and not have the debates END on this sour note. For all you dancing that Bush got "owned" realize this is part of Bush Cos strategy and reflects an understanding of the American publics viewing mentality. Senator Kerry used ALL his ammo on this debate. Theres not much the President can fire back thats not a soundbite. But when it comes to DOMESTIC policy - well theres where the Senator has a few holes in his story, whether its accussing the President of supporting out-sourcing (which has helped the US), whether its claiming wages are down, whether its claiming that his health care plan its the best - these are things Kerry is going to be jumped on.

In any case, Kerry may have come out looking strong but the MAJORITY - yes thats right block head - the MAJORITY of Americans support the war on terror, and damn near 70% of Americans believe they are safer BECAUSE of the actions of the admin.

Oh and that once safe spot of the economy - whod handle it better - the candidates are virtually tied. That is NOT a good sign for the Senator. Not at all.[/i]

[mR.cLeAn]

Did you see at the beguinning how when they went to shake hands bush like ran towards him, while kerry just slowly walked there.

I think Bush did a great Job, and what pissed me off about Kerry, is that he kept saying that like 90% of casualties were Americans .. when that is not even true .. what about the allies, and locals that died, I think it was about 790 non american that died.

Well .. I hope Kerry looses, I don't want a pussy as a President.

[wintersforge]

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[TonyMontana]

LOL

[bukdez]

Originally Posted by Noctis

Next, he wants to bring about universal healthcare. Are you kidding me? First of all, I don't want to have to sit on a two week waiting list while my upper respiratory infection turns into a lower respiratory infection and maybe pneumonia. Our healthcare system works great in motivating the best doctors in the world to work in our hospitals and really take care of their patients. If anything needs to be done here, Medicare and Medicaid need some tweaking.

How does this system work at present? Most people pay directly for their health care/hospital bills out of pocket, unless they have insurance, right?
In the case of insurance, do plans cover some or all of the costs? Or does it depend on the plan? Are Medicare and Medicaid government sponsered programs for the poor/uninsured?

My brother-in-law is a doctor in the US, but he never wants to talk about this shit, one thing he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

[Milla]

Originally Posted by bukdez

he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

yup.

[Maplegyver]

Originally Posted by bukdez

How does this system work at present? Most people pay directly for their health care/hospital bills out of pocket, unless they have insurance, right?
In the case of insurance, do plans cover some or all of the costs? Or does it depend on the plan? Are Medicare and Medicaid government sponsered programs for the poor/uninsured?

My brother-in-law is a doctor in the US, but he never wants to talk about this shit, one thing he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

THEY SHOULD JPOIN THE ARMY!!!/noc

[Sirus]

Originally Posted by Milla

yup.

not at all

[Milla]

Well it depends on circumstance, i know theres someone getting fucked everywhere for anything.

[wintersforge]

from experience:

-when i entered the work force after college i was over 21 and off my parents insurance (most US insures will cover kids till either 18 or they leave school...depends). during the next few years i had no insurance. i had to go to hospital emergency room one night. now the law states that hospitals cannot turn away anyone form the emergency room. so alot of people who need help go to emergency room cause they cant be turned away (might be a state by state law...idk). when i was released i was sent a bill for 500 bucks or so. i went to doctor for follow up and he asked me if i was covered. i said no and he cut my bill in half right on the spot..and waived doctors visit fee...it reallys matters if you go to a hospital sponsored or overseen by a church...ie catholic because they seem to work with people in unique situations.

most good insurance programs are 90/10...meaning you pay 10 % of bill. then they go downa list of services they cover and wont etc. the shitty thing is people who have families and no insurance...but i often wonder why they arent motivated to provide a better life for there family...and i guess thats waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic eek:

[Drew]

Originally Posted by bukdez

How does this system work at present? Most people pay directly for their health care/hospital bills out of pocket, unless they have insurance, right?
In the case of insurance, do plans cover some or all of the costs? Or does it depend on the plan? Are Medicare and Medicaid government sponsered programs for the poor/uninsured?

My brother-in-law is a doctor in the US, but he never wants to talk about this shit, one thing he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

To address the questions in order:

All healthcare costs are the responsibility of the consumer. The magnitude of these costs is offset by healthcare insurance (a healthy, single white male with company coverage might expect to pay $40.00USD per month for the best option). The plans cover varying amounts depending on the circumstances and the quality of your coverage. Anyone in the United States can be self-insured with a $500 deductible (I know that's high, but it's better than nothing in an emergency situation) for something like $600-800/year. But just as an example, if I go to my normal physician, I have a co-pay (fee) of $20. Everything after that is covered by the insurance company. For a specialist, the co-pay is $30 and for the emergency room the co-pay is $100, etc etc.

Medicaid and Medicare are indeed government subsidized healthcare plans for the poor/uninsured. These are in addition to free clinics which can be found in most major cities (yes, I know free clinics are the pinnacle of medical science). Free clinics are, however, an option for those who aren't on Medicare/Medicaid for whatever reason (crackheads) and most of the time you can be seen by a healthcare professional the same day. The programs could use some improvement. They need some streamlining to weed out abuse, which is the biggest thing holding it back right now.

I think that yes, there are probably cases where the poor/uninsured get screwed over (anyone seen John Q.?) but I think that even that is the exception. Anyone too poor to afford insurance is covered by Medicare and anyone who isn't covered by it but claims to be too poor is spending their money on Michael Vick Air Force Ones and Reebok authentic game jerseys instead of providing for themselves or their families (and don't even try to put a racist spin on it, I get the example from a guy who used to work for me that I saw in the store the other day. He is white, lives in a trailer, has two kids and is on food stamps. But he is wearing $150 Nikes and a $250 Vick jersey).

Bottom line, I will gladly continue to pay $40/mo if it means that I am able to see the best doctors in the world and be treated immediately, not register on a waiting list and sit around for a week or two while I cough up my intestines.

[udetingo]

Umm... Bush and Kerry are both idiots. I really wish we had presidents like Franklin D. Roosevelt and I guess, John F. Kennedy. Today, thats not really possible since materialism has actually turned people retarded. At least that's what I think, but my opinion will change if someone can enlighten me about something I have said.

[Scalping Chief]

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[1080jibber]

[quote="TGB!":992b3]In any case, Kerry may have come out looking strong but the MAJORITY - yes thats right block head - the MAJORITY of Americans support the war on terror, and damn near 70% of Americans believe they are safer BECAUSE of the actions of the admin.[/i][/quote:992b3]

sure 70% of Americans support the war on terror, but do 70% support the war in Iraq?

[Sgt. Paine]

[quote=1080jibber]

Originally Posted by "TGB!":ba5b4

In any case, Kerry may have come out looking strong but the MAJORITY - yes thats right block head - the MAJORITY of Americans support the war on terror, and damn near 70% of Americans believe they are safer BECAUSE of the actions of the admin.[/i]

sure 70% of Americans support the war on terror, but do 70% support the war in Iraq?[/quote:ba5b4]

they should, my cousin was over there for a year, and he said that they needed to be over there. and i believe him.