[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Coleman

ha, i could probably make an arguement for that...

This is to You and Levi...

How was Clinton a bad President?

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Pyro

This is to You and Levi...

How was Clinton a bad President?

Im not going to stick my face into this. I was just hinting towards abortions...but i guess you didn't pick up on that. AND I know that you are going to say abortions do not involve babies. So let's just leave it at that.


/me scoots out of the thread.

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Im not going to stick my face into this. I was just hinting towards abortions...but i guess you didn't pick up on that. AND I know that you are going to say abortions do not involve babies. So let's just leave it at that.


/me scoots out of the thread.

I don't know how I stand on Abortion.

[geRV]

[quote=Pyro]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Im not going to stick my face into this. I was just hinting towards abortions...but i guess you didn't pick up on that. AND I know that you are going to say abortions do not involve babies. So let's just leave it at that.


/me scoots out of the thread.

I don't know how I stand on Abortion.[/quote:3da69]

With 2 feet.

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[TGB!]

[quote:8ed3d]How would you like to be dead today because someone didn't like the leader of your country. You were just chillin, going about your day to day business, and then you come home to see your house blown up and the remains of your family scattered around your residence.

thanks bush, you made him a happy father and husband that day. Why don't you kill his mother and father too?[/quote:8ed3d]

We called it the Revolutionary War.

[Short Hand]

puernhg9-yus0bf0b grf8awer8frwy8b got pony ?

[Colonel]

[quote="Low spark":676f0].... But for the most part the top 2% do not take their tax refunds and go out and buy things, or use it to help feed and educate thier children. They are not living paycheck to paycheck like so many in the middle class. I know to many people that have lost their jobs, that are either not working or are working for less pay. I totally agree with a middle class tax cut, because for the most part that money goes back into the economy and keep everyone working. [/quote:676f0]

I disagree. I would say that most folks, regardless of income, take the money that they have left after taxes and buy things. If they have more left after taxes they buy more. Even if they save more it helps fuel the economy by giving the banks greater resources to lend to the lower income folks, to small businesses for working captial etc. And, btw, I know a lot of people in the 2% you are talking about that live paycheck to paycheck. They are all in debt up to their butts trying to keep up with the Joneses and they spend every dime they make. (Keep in mind that the 2% figure includes all folks making $200,000 or more) They live in houses too expensive for their income (but the construction of that house employed a bunch of folks). They drive expensive cars (think job security for Detroit auto workers). And they go on vacations that they can't afford (think employment of hotel, airline, and travel related jobs). All tax cuts are good, regardless of what income group gets them. I wish we all had to write a check to the government instead of them taking it through payroll deduction. Then folks would realize how badly they are getting screwed.

[quote="Low spark":676f0]What good does any tax cuts reallydo for any one? When our present congress and administration make no attempt to control spending, except for social program for the poor/.[/quote:676f0]

Amen brother. At least the part about Washington not controlling spending. I think the problem is that ALL government programs have built in spending increases. (even social programs for the poor). The problem is that every year they go up X amount. So if they are scheduled for an 8% increase and the President or Congress wants to cut the increase back to 7% (still above the inflation rate) (these numbers are arbitrary and are for example purposes only) then everybody starts screaming that they are cutting programs and taking money away from hungry children! That's what chaps my butt. They are still getting 7% more than they did the year before!! I wish they would have a year when they say, "Every program regardless of what it is, defense, welfare, whatever, has to get by with exactly what they got last year...or even with 2% less". We could get rid of the deficit in no time. Heck my company has been cutting expenses every year since 1998, trying to stay competitive. (and trying to get in the black - the chemical industry has been hurting and losing money since '98-'99 and has just been making a comeback over the last year or two) I don't see why the government can't do the same thing.

[Fireal]

Originally Posted by Pyro

This is to You and Levi...

How was Clinton a bad President?

Clinton was a great Prez. Clinton, in 8 years created a 400+ billion dollar Surplass, Bush in just 4 short years has turned that 400+ billion dollar into a 300+ Billion Dollar DEFICET. That's a 700 BILLION dollar difference

[Vance]

Clinton can thank the two Republicans before him for a large amount of that.

And what is 'surplass'? eek:

[Short Hand]

stfu vance. thats not true.

[Fireal]

Originally Posted by Vance

Clinton can thank the two Republicans before him for a large amount of that.

And what is 'surplass'? eek:

A surplus is the opposite of a deficit.

[TGB!]

[quote="Short Hand":77d25]stfu vance. thats not true.[/quote:77d25]

Do you know ANYTHING about Economics? Seriously I would like you to explain how by virtue of being THEMSELVES someone can just come in and completely SHIFT the economic structure of the United States.

This is such a bullshit statement made by pro-Clinton groupies - ESPECIALLY by foreigners who get fed their anti-Bush bullshit. So please, explain to me how Clinton "turned our economy around".

[Fireal]

Yea, clinton had help from Bush SR. and Reagan probably. But still doesnt change how bush lost 700 billion dollars in debt in 4 years.

[TGB!]

The fact that you people are getting the number wrong tells me how "informed" you are.

[Conscript]

[quote="TGB!":78aeb]The fact that you people are getting the number wrong tells me how "informed" you are.[/quote:78aeb]he still lost a shitload of cash....am i rite???