[Sirus]

Originally Posted by Himmler

rock:

[Neo Nazi Hitler]

Originally Posted by Sirus

rock:

hells yeah, you tell them TGB. rock:

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Himmler

[bukdez]

[quote="TGB!":d54e4]

Originally Posted by bukdez

rofl...

typical individualistic money mongering attitude... we're humans, and we're in this together, whats wrong with paying a little extra to help those who are less priviliged, not everyone can be as smart and successful as people like us... why not help to enable them to contribute more or anything to society... do you blame homeless people for being homeless?... no one can be homeless, where did thier house go?... the problem is that inadequate medical care for poor people has led to mass estrangement and addiction, these people need help, not hate...

#1 Worst Reason for a Government to do something: Because They Can.

The rich pay the taxes, dont care what John Kerry is trying to tell you.[/quote:d54e4]

actually the 'middle-class' pays most of the taxes... and what i'm saying is: work together to eliminate some of the gap between the classes, and everyone will be paying taxes... how can you stimulate an economy where more than 1/2 the people can barely afford to live?... how can you support a government that 'cares' more for the well-being of Iraqis than it's own people?...

[tomxtr]

With all due respect, how can you say

Originally Posted by bukdez

we're humans, and we're in this together, whats wrong with paying a little extra to help those who are less priviliged, not everyone can be as smart and successful as people like us...

and

Originally Posted by bukdez

how can you support a government that 'cares' more for the well-being of Iraqis than it's own people?...

in the same thread. Am I to conclude that you meant to qualify your first statement by only including Americans. Is it also safe to conclude that your heart bleeds for the people who are not as "smart and successful" in the US, but does not extend to the poor souls unfortunate enough to be born in that shithole in the desert. I just want to understand where the liberals draw the line.

[bukdez]

Originally Posted by tomxtr

With all due respect, how can you say

and

in the same thread. Am I to conclude that you meant to qualify your first statement by only including Americans. Is it also safe to conclude that your heart bleeds for the people who are not as "smart and successful" in the US, but does not extend to the poor souls unfortunate enough to be born in that shithole in the desert. I just want to understand where the liberals draw the line.

i fully get what you are saying... the first qoute was meant as a specific reply to the situation in America/North America, the second reply is meant to indicate that if the situation at home is bad enough to warrent such debate, than why should time and resources be spent to fix problems in other countries?... I think it is good that a country as powerful as the US would aim to help the less fortunate, I just question the motive behind it... In essence my posts were both a little tongue-in-cheeck in style, specifically the reference to 'smart and successful' people and to the situation in Iraq...

[Berquist]

Originally Posted by guarnere

Hey, im pro Bush

[Swill]

Originally Posted by guarnere

K, we'll see who wins this election...thanks.

I`m all with bush! rock:

[Proteus]

[quote=bukdez]

Originally Posted by "TGB!":ce462

#1 Worst Reason for a Government to do something: Because They Can.

The rich pay the taxes, dont care what John Kerry is trying to tell you.

actually the 'middle-class' pays most of the taxes... and what i'm saying is: work together to eliminate some of the gap between the classes, and everyone will be paying taxes... how can you stimulate an economy where more than 1/2 the people can barely afford to live?... how can you support a government that 'cares' more for the well-being of Iraqis than it's own people?...[/quote:ce462]

Uuuum, don't want to shit on your parade but the 'upper class', or people who make some number or more(like 250g or so a year) pay 30%(somewhere in that area) to the federal government. Middle class only pays 15 or 17 or w/e the fuck.

But, John Kerry gets out of paying his amount of taxes because he gives the bare minimum to just sneak under the radar by giving a small amount to charity. Kerry wants to raise taxes to the middle class.

[Sgt. Paine]

Originally Posted by Himmler

No way man, me too!

[bukdez]

[quote=Proteus]

Originally Posted by bukdez

actually the 'middle-class' pays most of the taxes... and what i'm saying is: work together to eliminate some of the gap between the classes, and everyone will be paying taxes... how can you stimulate an economy where more than 1/2 the people can barely afford to live?... how can you support a government that 'cares' more for the well-being of Iraqis than it's own people?...

Uuuum, don't want to shit on your parade but the 'upper class', or people who make some number or more(like 250g or so a year) pay 30%(somewhere in that area) to the federal government. Middle class only pays 15 or 17 or w/e the fuck.

But, John Kerry gets out of paying his amount of taxes because he gives the bare minimum to just sneak under the radar by giving a small amount to charity. Kerry wants to raise taxes to the middle class.[/quote:fe583]

before your drop your load, the 'upper class' is about 2% of the population, even at 30% tax rate, the 'middle class' pays more... in canada people who make over 50K but less than 100K are taxed at like 40%, i assumed it was similar in the US...

[Old Reliable]

vote bush for destruction of life!

[Snuff]

W rock:

[imported_Grim_Reaper]

George II will probably win even though id rather not see him in office again. there seems to be nobody good running for president this year. kerry cant make up his mind and bush is just a moron at times.

[Proteus]

[quote=bukdez]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Uuuum, don't want to shit on your parade but the 'upper class', or people who make some number or more(like 250g or so a year) pay 30%(somewhere in that area) to the federal government. Middle class only pays 15 or 17 or w/e the fuck.

But, John Kerry gets out of paying his amount of taxes because he gives the bare minimum to just sneak under the radar by giving a small amount to charity. Kerry wants to raise taxes to the middle class.

before your drop your load, the 'upper class' is about 2% of the population, even at 30% tax rate, the 'middle class' pays more... in canada people who make over 50K but less than 100K are taxed at like 40%, i assumed it was similar in the US...[/quote:8ec4e]

You're thinking about the masses, obviiously if a percent of the population dwarfs another part then it's going to pay more. But individually Bush isn't raping you in the ass hole.