Could Bush Be RIght>!>?

Jin-Roh · **Could Bush Be RIght>!>? -** 03-01-2005, 10:33 PM

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 78,00.html oOo:

ninty · 03-01-2005, 11:10 PM

I don't really see the comparison between Regan and the Berlin Wall, and Bush and his foreign policy.

Anyway, yes, I suppose it is possible that George Bush is doing everything right, and his foreign policy is the correct way to go about things, but in my mind, I doubt it.

Jin-Roh · 03-01-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

I don't really see the comparison between Regan and the Berlin Wall, and Bush and his foreign policy.

Anyway, yes, I suppose it is possible that George Bush is doing everything right, and his foreign policy is the correct way to go about things, but in my mind, I doubt it.

Yeah...

... Agreed.

ninty · 03-01-2005, 11:30 PM

Here's a reason why:

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 81,00.html

If Bush's foreign policy was right, then he could stand up in a non scripted event with unfiltered questions and he could shoot them all down. But obviously he can't do that. If he can't answer real life questions, then why should the world approve of his actions?

Pyro · 03-03-2005, 07:45 AM

Let's just hope he is going about it right.

negative · 03-03-2005, 10:50 AM

NO, he is right. He cant answer everyquestion, that information is ALWAYS misunderstood. Lets look at the facts:

Democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq. Lebanon protesters (which used to be illegal) has forced the powers out of office (peacefully) Syria will probably leave Lebanon. First Elections in Egypt AND Saudi Arabia. Quoted in NY Times by an Iranian saying we love Bush, we wish he was here-something like that. NY Times Admitted they had been wrong--JOhn Kerry was wrong, Left is wrong. But noone sees that-and that is what is rediculous. NO given credit to a cabinant (not person) who deserve it--all because of pride. REDICULOUS.

WHY did the leader of the anti-war movement in London resign?????He said that since Democracy has taken effect, not to support the war would be supporting terrorists. THIS IS THE LEADER of the ANTIWAR movement in a country who's public does now favor US Actions overseas.

Jin-Roh · 03-03-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by negative

NO, he is right. He cant answer everyquestion, that information is ALWAYS misunderstood. Lets look at the facts:

Democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq. Lebanon protesters (which used to be illegal) has forced the powers out of office (peacefully) Syria will probably leave Lebanon. First Elections in Egypt AND Saudi Arabia. Quoted in NY Times by an Iranian saying we love Bush, we wish he was here-something like that. NY Times Admitted they had been wrong--JOhn Kerry was wrong, Left is wrong. But noone sees that-and that is what is rediculous. NO given credit to a cabinant (not person) who deserve it--all because of pride. REDICULOUS.

WHY did the leader of the anti-war movement in London resign?????He said that since Democracy has taken effect, not to support the war would be supporting terrorists. THIS IS THE LEADER of the ANTIWAR movement in a country who's public does now favor US Actions overseas.

Go back to school and make some sense. rolleyes:

Maplegyver · 03-03-2005, 03:57 PM

[quote="Jin-Roh":79a37]

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Originally Posted by negative

NO, he is right. He cant answer everyquestion, that information is ALWAYS misunderstood. Lets look at the facts:

Democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq. Lebanon protesters (which used to be illegal) has forced the powers out of office (peacefully) Syria will probably leave Lebanon. First Elections in Egypt AND Saudi Arabia. Quoted in NY Times by an Iranian saying we love Bush, we wish he was here-something like that. NY Times Admitted they had been wrong--JOhn Kerry was wrong, Left is wrong. But noone sees that-and that is what is rediculous. NO given credit to a cabinant (not person) who deserve it--all because of pride. REDICULOUS.

WHY did the leader of the anti-war movement in London resign?????He said that since Democracy has taken effect, not to support the war would be supporting terrorists. THIS IS THE LEADER of the ANTIWAR movement in a country who's public does now favor US Actions overseas.

Go back to school and make some sense. rolleyes:[/quote:79a37]

Pyro · 03-03-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by negative

REDICULOUS.

Short Hand · 03-03-2005, 09:05 PM

[quote=Maplegyver]

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Originally Posted by "Jin-Roh":a3a7a

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Originally Posted by negative

NO, he is right. He cant answer everyquestion, that information is ALWAYS misunderstood. Lets look at the facts:

Democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq. Lebanon protesters (which used to be illegal) has forced the powers out of office (peacefully) Syria will probably leave Lebanon. First Elections in Egypt AND Saudi Arabia. Quoted in NY Times by an Iranian saying we love Bush, we wish he was here-something like that. NY Times Admitted they had been wrong--JOhn Kerry was wrong, Left is wrong. But noone sees that-and that is what is rediculous. NO given credit to a cabinant (not person) who deserve it--all because of pride. REDICULOUS.

WHY did the leader of the anti-war movement in London resign?????He said that since Democracy has taken effect, not to support the war would be supporting terrorists. THIS IS THE LEADER of the ANTIWAR movement in a country who's public does now favor US Actions overseas.

Go back to school and make some sense. rolleyes:

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Yes after that car bomb which killed 115 people in Iraq went of not to many days ago... huge strides are being made there...

strvs · 03-04-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyro

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Originally Posted by negative

REDICULOUS.

happy:

Sgt>Stackem · 03-10-2005, 07:09 AM

[quote="Short Hand":5b18f]Yes after that car bomb which killed 115 people in Iraq went of not to many days ago... huge strides are being made there...[/quote:5b18f]

there has been huge strides, people have power, every hospital has power. The people have VOTED. It is safer to be in Beruit than Washington DC. The women are going to school, the women are working. Whats not an upgrade with all that?

ninty · 03-10-2005, 12:03 PM

I’m not arguing just for the sake of arguing, but are there any sources out there that say the power is up and running? I watched a program on PBS I believe and I think it was on the 10th mountain, although I can’t exactly remember. I remember those guys going around town and asking the locals how things were going and the markets where people sell various items weren’t up and running. Many people had nothing to sell and nothing to do. At the end of the show something like 6 months later, the market still wasn’t up. I think there are major problems in Iraq. Many more problems than before unfortunately.

Also about the voting, don’t you think that was kid of a sham? There were somewhere around 200 parties on the list, and the people voting didn’t even know who they were voting for because no ones name was on the ballot and no pre election campaigning was done because people were afraid they’d be killed. People voted on a group. These groups were divided into sections like Shiite, Kurdish etc. So whoever has the most people in the country wins basically. In addition, they talk about how 58% of people voted. But I believe this number is of those who actually registered to vote. There were many millions of people who never registered to vote, and thus are not included in this percentage. I will look for the sources when I get home.

The most dangerous road in the world is now the road from the Baghdad airport. In Iraq I really believe there are more negatives than positives.

ninty · 03-10-2005, 12:30 PM

Also, why do you believe its safer to be in Beruit than DC?

Do you mean crime wise, or terrorism wise?

If your talking about terrorism, I really don't understand why. 3,000 people have died in terrorist attacks since 9/11. I bet 3 times that many have been murdered. I bet its 10 fold the number who ahev died in car accidents and who ahve died from cancer and suicide and all these things. I see a real fixation and fear on terrorism, although its about as likley anyone dying from terrorism in the US as getting hit by lightning.

If you want my personal opinion, I believe the Bush administration has done a wonderful job of scaring the population into believing the threat to their security is much greater than it really is. Military and defence budgets are skyrocketing, while other things like drug education or counselling for mentally ill and dangerous people gets tossed by the wayside. Not to mention Education for the next generation of Americans and health care and that sort of thing. I don't mean to insult anyone. I've been to the US many times. I was there last year. The people are great. Theres nothing wrong with the people. I really just don't like the government. It may not be any of my business, but I can still have an opinion. I'm not anti-us in any way. I have grandparents that emigrated from the US.

Sgt>Stackem · 03-10-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

Also, why do you believe its safer to be in Beruit than DC?

Do you mean crime wise, or terrorism wise?

If your talking about terrorism, I really don't understand why. 3,000 people have died in terrorist attacks since 9/11. I bet 3 times that many have been murdered. I bet its 10 fold the number who ahev died in car accidents and who ahve died from cancer and suicide and all these things. I see a real fixation and fear on terrorism, although its about as likley anyone dying from terrorism in the US as getting hit by lightning.

If you want my personal opinion, I believe the Bush administration has done a wonderful job of scaring the population into believing the threat to their security is much greater than it really is. Military and defence budgets are skyrocketing, while other things like drug education or counselling for mentally ill and dangerous people gets tossed by the wayside. Not to mention Education for the next generation of Americans and health care and that sort of thing. I don't mean to insult anyone. I've been to the US many times. I was there last year. The people are great. Theres nothing wrong with the people. I really just don't like the government. It may not be any of my business, but I can still have an opinion. I'm not anti-us in any way. I have grandparents that emigrated from the US.

first off President Bush had alot of catch up work to do from the Clinton administration. Clinton slashed the military budget to nothing. Then we go into war and Bush catches hell for not having proper armor for the humvees and soldiers. The health care issue is there no matter who is/was president. I will find the facts about my comparision between DC and Beruit. there have been more murders in DC than Beriut in the last year. Granted most of those killed in DC are gangs killing eachother and black on black crime. Our threat to security is real. Our borders are more porus than spongebob. We, as a country, have to cure this on both the Canadian side and the mexican side (which is much worse) It is well known that you hate the Bush administration and you are entitled to your opinion. I am of the firm belief that we are way better off with Bush than that weasel Kerry.