[strvs]

Originally Posted by Whatada

As soon as the military places a loaded weapon in the hand of someone other than a white, Christian male, something fucked up is bound to occur.
Wonderful world we live in..

Oh god. Save your insight for the 30 inch burrito thread pls.

[Whatada]

Originally Posted by strvs

Oh god. Save your insight for the 30 inch burrito thread pls.

eek:

I didn't say that we shouldn't supply weapons to soldiers who aren't white, did I? It's pretty obvious that America, no matter how diverse, will always come out being racist.

[strvs]

Originally Posted by Whatada

As soon as the military places a loaded weapon in the hand of someone other than a white, Christian male, something fucked up is bound to occur.
Wonderful world we live in..

Just take a moment to read over that post, and tell me how it sounds.

[TiberiusAD]

Originally Posted by Judas

being teased by someone who doesnt have access to pistols / automatic weapons / etc is one thing, i guess...

... his religious beliefs aside ( im pretty sure as americans we are free to pratice however we like ), i believe that he had the right to defend himself against threats ... im imagining that those killed probably gave him a pretty hard time about his beliefs.

i dont think its right to kill anyone or anything ( im pretty sure you do, however ), so im not defending the killings. im just saying that its funny as shit to see all you gung-ho fuckers rush to judge about him knowing little about what he went thru and simply because it was soldiers killed.

OMG HE GOT WE HE DESERVED , KILL HIM NOW, etc.

I cannot speak for the others who have replied, but I'm a vet, Zaps current...and I think Col a vet too... so those guys may agree with me.

He deserves to die, here is why:

Regardless of any political, religious, or mental issues he may have, the man is a Soldier...not just a grunt, he is a Non-Commissioned Officer, a leader and suppervisor of soldiers in a combat zone.

He decided that the lives of his fellow soldiers were worth less than his own. He decided that instead of taking personal action in the form of "Non-Combatant" status, simple refusal to go into combat, or Religious convictions in the form of communications and harbor of the chaplin. (You can go into the Chaplin's office/tent and sit down and refude to fight. Perfectly legal and you will not be asked to reconsider... it's called a Concensious Objector sp?)

This man chose to toss GRENADES into the tents of his own men and stand outside with his rifle and shoot OFFICERS!

I have no remorse for the bastard. I firmly belive any mental conditions he may be suffering from are either bullshit or caused by guilt.
I also seriously doubt his men gave him any form of shit about his religion, this is not a movie. Real soldiers do not show that kind of disrespect.

It is difficult to try to explain how wrong this is to guys who have never served, I hope that I have at least shed some light on how the vets that saw this happen felt, and why we feel that the guy should die.

[Whatada]

Originally Posted by strvs

Just take a moment to read over that post, and tell me how it sounds.

Incinuating the fact that the world we live in is not a good one when a situation such as the one I just named occurs.


Christ's sakes.. annoy:

[strvs]

Originally Posted by Whatada

Incinuating the fact that the world we live in is not a good one when a situation such as the one I just named occurs.


Christ's sakes.. annoy:

wtf.

I had obviously misinterpreted your post, as im sure everyone here would have if you hadn't cleared it up so legibly. eek:

[BlackJackal]

STFU whatada

[rdeyes]

i read somewhere that this dude wasnt really fit to go to battle , but what he did was cowardly and he gets what he deserves. to bad there isnt a firing squad anymore annoy:

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by TiberiusAD

I cannot speak for the others who have replied, but I'm a vet, Zaps current...and I think Col a vet too... so those guys may agree with me.

He deserves to die, here is why:

Regardless of any political, religious, or mental issues he may have, the man is a Soldier...not just a grunt, he is a Non-Commissioned Officer, a leader and suppervisor of soldiers in a combat zone.

He decided that the lives of his fellow soldiers were worth less than his own. He decided that instead of taking personal action in the form of "Non-Combatant" status, simple refusal to go into combat, or Religious convictions in the form of communications and harbor of the chaplin. (You can go into the Chaplin's office/tent and sit down and refude to fight. Perfectly legal and you will not be asked to reconsider... it's called a Concensious Objector sp?)

This man chose to toss GRENADES into the tents of his own men and stand outside with his rifle and shoot OFFICERS!

I have no remorse for the bastard. I firmly belive any mental conditions he may be suffering from are either bullshit or caused by guilt.
I also seriously doubt his men gave him any form of shit about his religion, this is not a movie. Real soldiers do not show that kind of disrespect.

It is difficult to try to explain how wrong this is to guys who have never served, I hope that I have at least shed some light on how the vets that saw this happen felt, and why we feel that the guy should die.

[img]http://www.7mac.com/LibRadio/images/Iraqi_Prisoner_Abuse.jpg[/img]

[Johnj]

Short did you notice what happened to the scum you pointed to. They are currently [url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20050430/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england:e0fa6]cooling their heels[/url:e0fa6] in a jail. What they did to those prisoners was and is illegal and they are being punished.

[Sgt>Stackem]

very well said, TiberiusAD +1

[Machette]

[quote="Short Hand":d32ee]

Originally Posted by TiberiusAD

I cannot speak for the others who have replied, but I'm a vet, Zaps current...and I think Col a vet too... so those guys may agree with me.

He deserves to die, here is why:

Regardless of any political, religious, or mental issues he may have, the man is a Soldier...not just a grunt, he is a Non-Commissioned Officer, a leader and suppervisor of soldiers in a combat zone.

He decided that the lives of his fellow soldiers were worth less than his own. He decided that instead of taking personal action in the form of "Non-Combatant" status, simple refusal to go into combat, or Religious convictions in the form of communications and harbor of the chaplin. (You can go into the Chaplin's office/tent and sit down and refude to fight. Perfectly legal and you will not be asked to reconsider... it's called a Concensious Objector sp?)

This man chose to toss GRENADES into the tents of his own men and stand outside with his rifle and shoot OFFICERS!

I have no remorse for the bastard. I firmly belive any mental conditions he may be suffering from are either bullshit or caused by guilt.
I also seriously doubt his men gave him any form of shit about his religion, this is not a movie. Real soldiers do not show that kind of disrespect.

It is difficult to try to explain how wrong this is to guys who have never served, I hope that I have at least shed some light on how the vets that saw this happen felt, and why we feel that the guy should die.

[img]http://www.7mac.com/LibRadio/images/Iraqi_Prisoner_Abuse.jpg[/img][/quote:d32ee]

rofl beer:

[Alex D]

Originally Posted by TiberiusAD

I cannot speak for the others who have replied, but I'm a vet, Zaps current...and I think Col a vet too... so those guys may agree with me.

He deserves to die, here is why:

Regardless of any political, religious, or mental issues he may have, the man is a Soldier...not just a grunt, he is a Non-Commissioned Officer, a leader and suppervisor of soldiers in a combat zone.

He decided that the lives of his fellow soldiers were worth less than his own. He decided that instead of taking personal action in the form of "Non-Combatant" status, simple refusal to go into combat, or Religious convictions in the form of communications and harbor of the chaplin. (You can go into the Chaplin's office/tent and sit down and refude to fight. Perfectly legal and you will not be asked to reconsider... it's called a Concensious Objector sp?)

This man chose to toss GRENADES into the tents of his own men and stand outside with his rifle and shoot OFFICERS!

I have no remorse for the bastard. I firmly belive any mental conditions he may be suffering from are either bullshit or caused by guilt.
I also seriously doubt his men gave him any form of shit about his religion, this is not a movie. Real soldiers do not show that kind of disrespect.

It is difficult to try to explain how wrong this is to guys who have never served, I hope that I have at least shed some light on how the vets that saw this happen felt, and why we feel that the guy should die.

word. +1

and regarding the abuses at that prision. Well, they weren't real soldiers, I mean, it was said they had little training in what they were doing (guarding prisioners), and even that it is not clear if they weren't following direct orders.

Psychos are everywhere, civilians and military alike. Proper training and screening can eliminate some of them, but there is always somebody who will sneak the process and cause harm. This was one of the cases, and unfortunately there were victims. Fortunately the law (and correct application of) prevailed and the guy will be executed. Let's see what the appeals court say about.

[Madmartagen]

Whatada, just shut the fuck up, ok you retard? Re-read what you posted with your head out of your ass and then tell me how that nugget of knowledge you had isnt the most ignorant bullshit ever.

Short, what is the purpose of posting that pic? These are two seperate incidents, and although you seem to feel that you made some sort of point by posting that pic while highlighting Robs specific quote, the subject at hand and the Abu Gahraib scandal are completely unrelated. He said 'real soldiers dont show that kind of disrespect.' As in, we already know that those prison guards are pieces of shit and thus arent considered real soldiers. Where is the correlation?

This guy deserves the firing squad/noose because hes a traitor, plain and simple. During war, there is a more severe dependancy for you to stick to your duty and proffesionalism when you are on the battlefield. If he wasnt able to keep himself out of it, then he has to suck it up or do his time in jail. You are supposed to count on your friends and brothers in war above everyone else, especially when you feel like you are in an unjust war. You think those other soldiers wanted to be there? Anyone here think they would rather sit in the sand than to be home? He could have refused to go out on patrol and take the consequences like a man. Instead, he opted out like a coward and killed his brothers who were in the same situation as he was.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

Short, what is the purpose of posting that pic? These are two seperate incidents, and although you seem to feel that you made some sort of point by posting that pic while highlighting Robs specific quote, the subject at hand and the Abu Gahraib scandal are completely unrelated. He said 'real soldiers dont show that kind of disrespect.' As in, we already know that those prison guards are pieces of shit and thus arent considered real soldiers. Where is the correlation?

you beat me to it