[Tripper]

[quote="Short Hand":2ea25][quote=Tripper]

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":2ea25

You said you liked kanye before... Now you don't like him....

HAH. I highly doubt that bullshit.

Find a quote of me saying that...

Originally Posted by Tripper

Kanye West is weak at best. His beats are all cheap roc-o-faker knock offs. I'm sick of that high-pitched soul singer sample he fucking loves.

The guy is overrated moses.

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....That is dated june of 2004....Now shut the fuck up and mind your fucking business.[/quote:2ea25]

It was on irc, you said you enjoyed a good amount of his stuff, you also started talking about how you enjoyed K-OS as well. I still remember pretty clearly. THis was back even before the All Falls Down single became a hit. I wish I had a log of everything ever said in IRC.....[/quote:2ea25]

I call bullshit. Why you care about my opinions so much is kinda weird....and also, EVEN IF I did say I kinda liked him (which I didn't) It would be totally valid to change my opinion after like two years and an album/single released....

Originally Posted by jujumantb

I wouldnt say he mostly deals with other beats. Most are all his own, with minor sampling. Some are more "remixes" or old stuff, but he makes it work. IMO hes a very talented producer and he is really helping bring in names like mos def and talib to the average persons music library.

He makes money off of "remixes" and redone versions of other peoples songs - That's what I don't like, and he does it often.....but that's just a pet peeve, I REALLY don't like his beats that he makes on his own. Seriously makes me wonder how he became famous - Then I look at who else is famous in hiphop, and it makes sense to me.

Mos Def and Talib become alternative commercial hiphop acts on their own, they don't need help - There are plenty more acts out there he could "help" he just rode their boat to cash in on that alternative scene....and besides - As much as I've always liked Talib & Mos, I have to say their careers in music have gone haywire recently, and I think they're going to shit. Mos is making it as an actor (which is all good), and The New Danger simply sucked. There wasn't one good track on there. Meanwhile Talib's latest stuff is just like Kanye's bullshit in terms of production - Sped up voices singing the hooks to shitty synth beats with maybe one live string instrument....

....There are far better producers out there with new emcees that are what mos and talib were five years ago, I suggest you expand your tastes and you'll see for yourself - There's more to hiphop than what you get shown on mtv, even if your friends tell you "its underground"...