my biggest problem with the STG is it hurts my fucking ears!

[Chronic Diarrhea]

I think what he's really trying to say is that with realism, the STG is an extremely dangerous weapon.

[snipeymagoo]

eatitbey ur an idiot.......2 things your a n00b b/c you will soon find out that smg's are better than the stg by a long shot and #2 you copyed that little saying at the end....the light at the end it was used by someone else on aa.com u little copy and paster lol i till think stg's are gay as hell but the bar is cool

Actually what makes the Supergewehr so powerful is the overly high ROF, if you miss your first shot at any range, the next shot comes very soon, unlike with a BAR which you must aim like a rifle or the next shot takes too long to come.

It's fun to see supergewehr n00bs switch to allies and then they suck without that gun, or when I steal a supergewehr and start owning them

[Zoner]

Bah, we're going to have to get kills in MP by throwing boiled potatoes at each other before this topic ever goes away. It's as old as the game itself.

Stop worrying about what the other guys are using and play your game, for chrissakes. SHEESH!

If it's in the game, use it. If it's modded to be different than the original, adjust to it. And if you're not down with that...you know what to do.


Zone

Oh, I could "deal with it" and be a machinegun whore too, but I like the challenge of fighting with a rifle and actually having to AIM.

that's why the BaHs, myself, and a few other non-BaHs like to do rifle battles on their server, and kick whoever don't cooperate.

[Zoner]

Stryker, my post wasn't directed at you, man. It was in response to the original post.

I'm far from a machinegunner. I always use the M1. If I HAVE to play on the Axis side, 9 times out of 10 I'll use the Mauser.

I agree that the rifles add a great challenge and a sense of satisfaction to the game. I wish more people would give them a try, instead of being so pre-occupied with being at the top of the kills list.


Zone

[pest]

Yoy know what really chaps me, is that the shotgun sucks sooooo bad in realism. All the other weapons have been upgraded, but not the shotgun. No one likes the shotty because it was a one shot kill weapon. In realism, all guns are just about one shot kill guns, but you have to be standing on the guys head to kill him w one shot from the shotty.

Strik0r - I am with you on the mp40. That gun does the rock and roll like no other.

OK Zoner, sorry for nearly blowing up then.

[cleet]

I agree with the original post. My disdain for the STG causes my blood to boil. Mainly that there are people who will ONLY use it. They never ever ever play as allies or use any other weapon. I've sort of gotten over it now though. These are people who think it's most important to be at the top of the kills list (even at the expense of team play in objective maps) and couldn't handle the shame of being in the middle of the pack. At this point I just don't complain... just do my best to have fun. I get bored if I use MG's or SMG's.

It was funny this one time on Crow King's server

me and a few of the guys (BaHs, Timberwolf, Pancho Villa) decided to do a pistol war on Southern France, not everyone was cooperating and I defeated a couple of Supergewehr whores with a colt.
I can just imagine how angry they were biggrin:

[Alias]

I do agree with cleet. Its a shame that a person sticks to one gun and one gun only. I challenege anyone to pick up an STG, and play me while im holding a KAR. This game is a game of accuracy, all that really matters. I've been embarassed by people holding a colt, we all have. oOo:

[eatitbey]

Snipeymagoo I resent being called a n00b. First off i've been playing this game for over 6 months and have accumulated a modicum of skill. Secondly I was just stating my opinion. That's what this forum is for. I'm always down for an all rifles battle and I'll happily use an SMG. Hell i've even played all pistol whip battles that were some of the most fun I've ever had. But in a clan match i'm reaching for whatever kills the other person the fastest and most effective...and as for my sig I put it in my profile when I first signed up and didn't go looking through the site.

[Silverback]

I can't see the point of evangelizing a single weapon. Rockets piss me off because they're so unskilled, which is why we don't allow them on our server.

A lot of good points made - especially "if the games modded, adjust to it." That's part of what makes a good player great - you have to adjust. Different levels need different tactics, and I even switch weapons depending on who is playing and what weapons they are using.

I like the shotgun in Stalingrad, SMG in Destroyed Village ( used to snipe but I get more kills faster ), BAR on Remagen, KAR98 on Destroyed Village, STG on French Village.

At the end of the day, whoever said it earlier was entirely correct - the point of the game is to kill people, and pick whatever works for you. To me ( and the rest of the clan ) the enjoyment comes in winning, whatever it takes ( bar cheating ). I appreciate some people just enjoy playing the game for its own sake, which is cool for them, but sadly I'm a hyper competitive nut who hates losing to anyone ever.

I think one part of hating shotguns comes down to ping time. The tenth of a second advantage from being on the LAN can be all you need - you've dropped some poor sod before the game registers their shot - I've been on the receiving end of that, and I know how frustrating it can be.

[Ydiss]

Zoner, most people's complaints about CKR stems not from 'newbie STG whores' but from the imbalance it brings to the game. In stock the shotgun tends to be over-used by a lot of players and, as has been pointed out, it's cancerous. You get one 'shotty whore' you got tons.

This severely ruins the game for other people and you can either adapt, as you say, or leave. The thing is, as players get better, they start to adapt much more and slowly, but surely, the shotgun isn't the weapon of choice, it's a weapon of situation.

People tend to only use it when it's warrented (V2 clan matches, perhaps) and it is a great weapon if used in moderation.

This is because the stock game is balanced (to an extent) making the shotgun only 100% effective on certain maps and in certain situations.

What CKR does to the STG is make it 100% effective in any situation on any map. You get the cancerous syndrome a lot more and a lot more frequently.

The shotgun is useable by both teams, the STG (unless picked up) only by the Axis. This leads to disruptive team balance and, eventually, ends up ruining the game at some time of the night.

I have to leave CKR servers much more frequently due to over-population of STGs (and as such un-even teams) than I ever have to leave stock servers due to too many shotguns.

At any rate, even if you suffer for one map from a shotgun you are sure to get your own back on the next map (Think South France, followed by Destroyed Village).

So, I naturally tend to enjoy non CKR much more, as I tend to spend more time playing and less time connecting.

This is my opinion, my preference. I am fully aware that CKR is more popular than stock (statistically, at least - the various polls on this site would suggest that). I also realise why.

I just don't agree with it and only play it when I feel it's needed (ie I wish to play you guys).

I don't consider anyone who uses an STG as a newbie, even if they use it exclusively. I just hate having to constantly change server to find a battle that is even.