The protests outside Crawford: - Page 3

KTOG · 08-16-2005, 02:44 PM

Nope. Fight for what you believe and be true to yourself. You should take what they say into consideration, but don't take it as fact just because they are your relative.

Stammer · 08-16-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rdeyes

this ladies own relatives dont think what she is doing is right , if you family doesnt agree with your methods , dont you think you should change your tactics.

Fuck her family, it's her son.

rdeyes · 08-16-2005, 02:52 PM

not only her son , but their brother and grandson . this lady is shitting on her son's legacy , i hope shes proud

KTOG · 08-16-2005, 03:01 PM

I don't think its how she looks at it. She just is looking for a reason for why he died. "Defending freedom" and "Bringing an end to tyrrany" ... you can't say that is a reason to die. A good explanation could be "Fighting for those that can't", but that wasn't what Bush said to congress the day they declared war. Everyone over there is fighting over a lie. They might have a reason now to fight, but it began over a lie.

Stammer · 08-16-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rdeyes

not only her son , but their brother and grandson . this lady is shitting on her son's legacy , i hope shes proud

How is this lady protesting in honor of her son’s memory "shitting on his legacy"? I still don't see why. I think it's shitting on his memory and the memory of others when Bush doesn't go to a single funeral or says he will go on with his life, or he stands on the deck of an aircraft carrier with a giant sign that says 'Mission Accomplished'. The funniest part about is Neo-Cons link this woman to Michael Moore and Move-On like she is guilty by association.

The woman had every right to change her mind or pretend or whatever; it doesn't change the fact that her son is dead and gone in one of the most un-popular wars in American history. Everyone bashing this woman 'shits' on her young son’s legacy. This woman raised him an honor student, Cub Scout, marine so obviously she isn't crazy if he was such a good kid.

rdeyes · 08-16-2005, 03:34 PM

he made the choice to join the army , it wasnt like he was drafted , nobody pointed a gun to his head and made him re-inlist. he was on his 2nd tour, do you even know the story behind how he died ?

Stammer · 08-16-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rdeyes

he made the choice to join the army , it wasnt like he was drafted , nobody pointed a gun to his head and made him re-inlist. he was on his 2nd tour, do you even know the story behind how he died ?

So your saying he had it comming?

Chappy · 08-16-2005, 03:40 PM

and he died a hero. she has every right to say what she wants, and everyone else has the right to disagree with her if they so choose...thats America. just because a war is unpopular doesnt mean it wasn't any less right to start. funny how she isnt just talking anymore about the war that killed her son..but also Israel getting out of Palestine, and not paying taxes blah blah...

the media focuses only on this one little protest outside of the ranch in crawford...what about all the good stories coming out of iraq? millions of people freed from a cruel dictator...what about that? schools opening, hospitals opening, a stable economy, a nation being able to determine its own constituion. you want media bias? there it is. soldiers coming home with very different stories than what we are force fed thanks to ap/cnn/nyt

you liberals will never get it, America isn't evil...we didnt start the war for imperial purposes nor for oil (the price at the pump shows me that)...there are bad people in this world and while you are getting your petitions signed to have guantanamo bay closed and having our president impeached...they are still making bombs ala mcguyver to kill anyone who stands for liberty and freedom...thats not what they want, they've ruled by the sword for alot of years...that changing anytime soon?

i too tire of these forums...being labeled neocon, right wing conservative etc etc...doesnt change the fact that the world is what it is and the liberal answer to turn the other cheek and capitulate only brings more hijackings and bombings by folks who could care less about the things we take for granted....

no matter how much evidence is put on the table about the choice to go into iraq, the ignoring of UN resolutions, the harboring of terrorists, the use of chemical weapons against the Kurds...still, all you guys can chant is "bush lied"

had Gore been elected he still would have had to take into account that everyone from Clinton to Kennedy to John Kerry and even himself had been talking about the need to keep Saddam in check and the need for military action against him, would the chants had been "Gore lied"? I doubt it...you liberals here need to get over yourselves when you think your "enlighted" way of thinking is so far ahead of the evil bush administration and those of us who support it, its only because a conservative gov't is in power and that just drives you nuts

rdeyes · 08-16-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stammer

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Originally Posted by rdeyes

he made the choice to join the army , it wasnt like he was drafted , nobody pointed a gun to his head and made him re-inlist. he was on his 2nd tour, do you even know the story behind how he died ?

So your saying he had it comming?

no im not saying he had it coming , he voluntered to go on a rescuse mission to help some fellow soldiers that had been ambushed. learn the facts before you accuse me of saying things i didnt say.

rdeyes · 08-16-2005, 04:11 PM

she's also camping on private property. eek:

KTOG · 08-16-2005, 04:52 PM

I think thats the least of her worries.

rdeyes · 08-16-2005, 04:59 PM

it wont be when she gets arrested not to mention her husband is divorcing her and the rest of her family supports president bush , shes being used by the anti-war crowd , she will fade in the sunset when they are finished exploiting her , oh wait maybe she will get a role in fat bastards new movie rock:

ninty · 08-16-2005, 05:07 PM

The husband divorcing her and family members thinking ill of her should have no bearing in your argument. They are moot points. Everyone has a differing opinion. Show me evidence that her husband is divorcing her because of her political views or because shes camping outside of the ranch. If you can't, then why are you saying it? Half the population gets divorced.

Also, I don't believe their on private property. They were at one point, but they got kicked off. If you watch the film, you would see that they are camped out along the road, which is public state property. Again, not that this argument really matters at all.

ninty · 08-16-2005, 05:20 PM

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KTOG · 08-16-2005, 09:50 PM

Sad that people who don't know all the facts assume ingorant reactions.