[Poseidon]

[quote="TGB!":fa3d7]

Bin Laden has been on the loose for more than just "3 years" (your math is funny regardless)[/quote:fa3d7]

Hense the my sentence containing "what 3 years" as usually means its an estimation. I'm not going to research the number of years we have been looking for ABL just to support a irelevant section of my argument

[quote="TGB!":fa3d7]
he has been stalked by two administrations. Both the Clinton and Bush admins have failed to bring him in.[/quote:fa3d7]

Yes and my point still stands...

[quote:fa3d7]So tell me, why the fuck havent they got him yet?? If this Is a trully justified war of "just" getting ABL. We WOULD have him by now.[/quote:fa3d7]

The USA is the most powerful country in the world yet they cant fucking seem to find the most wanted person, in over 3 years. Their intelligence is one of the best in the world, and with other countries following them closely behind them it should have been an easy enough job to catch him.

Saddam husain was found and caught in a matter of weeks/ months, yet this man wasnt the person that blew up thousands of US citizens.

[Coleman]

I don't care what administration is in power. It's hard as hell to find ONE person in the ENTIRE world. (middle east for our purposes). The people even have OBL's back and lie in regards to his whereabouts. I don't think the case was the same for Saddam.

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I don't care what administration is in power. It's hard as hell to find ONE person in the ENTIRE world. (middle east for our purposes). The people even have OBL's back and lie in regards to his whereabouts. I don't think the case was the same for Saddam.

I'm sure out of the 295 Million people in the USA, someone could have infiltrated ABL's group and managed to capture him. If the US had really wanted to capture him, they could have done exactly what they did to Iraq. A full on invasion. Search everywhere, surely they would have found him eventually.

[Coleman]

I just don't think it's as simple as many people make it out to be.

[Madmartagen]

look at it this way, if OBL is caught, then Bush has to give up his little war.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

look at it this way, if OBL is caught, then Bush has to give up his little war.

yeah, and then be criticised about how "he just left the middle east in ruins."

[rdeyes]

Originally Posted by Poseidon

So tell me, why the fuck havent they got him yet?? If this Is a trully justified war of "just" getting ABL. We WOULD have him by now. its been what 3 years, yet we havent even been fucking close to arresting him yet? Yes this IS the man behind the whole 9/11 attacks in which many american citizens were killed.

If the USA had REALLLY wanted ABL as much as it was made out, we would have invaded Iraq. We would have stayed in Afghanistan and would have used ALL our resourses to find this murderer.

This is why im against the whole war. Because there are things obviously false about the justification as to why we invaded these countries. It is obvoius that there is more to this war.

bin laden hasnt survived all these years being the worlds most wanted man by not being stupid . dont forget he was a wanted man by the russians when they were in afghanistan, i believe OBL has been surpassed by Zarqawi has the worlds most wanted man.

[TGB!]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

look at it this way, if OBL is caught, then Bush has to give up his little war.

Yea you're right. . .the War On Terror is about OBL. . .

Ignorance isnt a debate tactic -

[ninty]

Here's another article on the origonal topic:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 77,00.html

[Trunks]

[quote="TGB!":edbc1]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

look at it this way, if OBL is caught, then Bush has to give up his little war.

Yea you're right. . .the War On Terror is about OBL. . .

Ignorance isnt a debate tactic - [/quote:edbc1]really, what is it about then? There are people in every single country who could qualify as terrorists. Should we invade them all?

[Madmartagen]

[quote=Trunks]

Originally Posted by "TGB!":0f57c

Yea you're right. . .the War On Terror is about OBL. . .

Ignorance isnt a debate tactic -

really, what is it about then? There are people in every single country who could qualify as terrorists. Should we invade them all?[/quote:0f57c]very true. this "war on terror" started only after 9/11, so if TGB has enlightened knowledge that no one else knows about, I would like to hear it. other than a few sniping remarks in his violet trademark and otherwise equally ignorant debates, then i suppose he doesnt have anything new to say other than that he will gladly take bush's lies, war and cock down his throat.

[TGB!]

Why is it that none of you regular critics can effectively critique without someone FIRST saying what you NATURALLY were going to say? -

The War On Terror is NOT about OBL, and to think it is is to commit the same logical fallacy that many on the fringe left do every single day - that the war can be marginalized and laid out in some flowery terms to appease those asking "what for". You are more than welcome to think ONE MAN is the focus of this process - some of us know better and arent so literal, narrow-minded, or just fucking stupid. OBL will be caught - dead or alive - eventually. He however, is a non-issue at this point. Zarqawi is the point-man coordinating the attacks in Iraq and thus is Man #1 to go after - but again even he isnt the point of the War On Terror. The point is to remove those tools and resources from terrorist organizations so that these countries that welcome them and where these recruits are coming from, have no choice but to resort to diplomacy to solve their grievances. For people as literal and willfully ignorant - like you MAD - this cannot be understood by you. To make the war about something more than the number of dead and OBL - means coming to an understanding that puts you in the uncomfortable position of seeing the neccesity of the United States actions. For morally-righteous-facists such as you, thats a cardinal sin.

As for the WIT beginning in Sep, 2001 - what rock where you living under? Weve been fighting terrorism for years - its just that THIS administration got serious about it; no firing rockets at asparin factories, or bombing Al Qaeda meetings after OBL has already left.

Now - if youdont have anything beyond the cliche bullshit you read off WhatReallyHappened.com, kindly take your high-school whining elsewhere.

[Madmartagen]

I, like many others, dont consider the war in iraq to be part of the war on terror. It was imperialism at its finest and the terrorism therin was caused unnecessarily by american aggression. Purely cause and affect. The only reason why terrorism is in iraq - the only reason why we even know about Al Zarqawi is because of whats happening in Iraq. Terrorists, with the exception of 9/11 and London are simply going wherever US or Coalition troops are stationed. If they werent in Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq and these other nations where our military has no business in, then we wouldnt have to worry about it. If the west would rethink their foreign policy that wasnt so skewed towards Israeli appeasment and Corporate greed, then we wouldnt have this kind of beef with other people. Bush may have reacted more aggresively than any of his predecessors have, but what progress has he received with such strength? nothing. nothing at all. OBL hasnt been caught, Afghanistan is a blip on the Fox News/CNN streamers nowadays. More focus on all media is on american deaths, the apparent bunglings of the feds, insider trading, and now the supreme court. Your faith in this strategy of "remove those tools and resources from terrorist organizations so that these countries that welcome them and where these recruits are coming from, have no choice but to resort to diplomacy to solve their grievances" IMO is dellusional. Who here can say that prior to the invasion that Iraq was synonomous with terrorism? Alot of these terrorist suspects are Saudi, I dont see our tanks rumbling through Riyadh. There were plenty of real terrorists to go after other than Iraq. Bush was wrong about WMDs, and its fucking hysterical on how people can still try to justify what he did. He fucked up, plain and simple, and instead of fixing it, this country has to suffer for it and he still got re-elected. as for your comment about whatreallyhappened.com, i havent read their site and i dont think i have ever quoted one of their links. im not saying that what Ninty posts is bullshit, i just think that before you top off with some kind of proverbial potshot, you should at least get it right.
plzdie:

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

It was imperialism at its finest and the terrorism therin was caused unnecessarily by american aggression.

imperialism? so bush is trying to make a 51st state? i didnt make it through the rest of your post because of the stupidity of your first sentence. thanks for towing the party line of the "blame america first" crowd.

[Johnj]

We're in Saudia Arabia & Kuwait because the governments of those countrys asked us to be there. I do, however, agree that the USA has no reason to be in Iraq.