[ninty]

The whole point of the article is to ask two questions in my mind:

1) Where there bombs in the buildings that contributed to the collapse of WTC1 WTC2 and WTC7?

2) If so, the next logical question would be 'Who put them there?'

Because it would be a long shot if it were a coincidence that on the same day two groups decided to blow up the WTC.

Say there were bombs in the buildings. Do anyone believe that the 19 hijackers put the bombs in there? If it was them, why hasn't anyone in the government or media said anything about it?

This is a serious accusation. It seems that many will completly deny it, some will say even if it's true, it doesn't change anything, and others will do some actual research of their own into the subject.

9/11 is the basis for the entire foreign policy of the US. I believe people should ask questions about what hapened that day. Same for London, Bali, Jordan, Madrid etc.


Anyway, here is a vid of the collapse of WTC7 that Tucker wouldn't show when he had the professor on. Draw your own conclusions, and I do encourage people to do that.

[url=http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg:4e55c]Video of WTC7 Collapsing from CBS[/url:4e55c]

There are other videos and topics about WTC7 on [url=http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html:4e55c]this[/url:4e55c] page:

[Sgt>Stackem]

ninty, you seem parinoid. If you leave the basement that light you see coming through the curtians is called daylight. Go out and examine it, dont worry, there are germs out there but they wont hurt you





BTW nice hat
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[tomxtr]

Originally Posted by ninty

Anyway, here is a vid of the collapse of WTC7 that Tucker wouldn't show when he had the professor on. Draw your own conclusions, and I do encourage people to do that.

If you ask me, the video is inconclusive. You can't see what is going on near the base of the building or the back. Was it severely damaged from the other buildings? If it was bombed, and I don't discount that it was, that simply means there were more people involved. I don't think this is a big revelation. Most acknowledge that there are a ton of terrorists roaming the streets of the US.

[geRV]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":f3281]ninty, you seem parinoid. If you leave the basement that light you see coming through the curtians is called daylight. Go out and examine it, dont worry, there are germs out there but they wont hurt you





BTW nice hat
[img]http://img216.exs.cx/img216/2442/getimage3qy.jpg[/img][/quote:f3281]

Nice "flame" rolleyes: Please don't try to do another, hurt my eyes reading that attempt.

[ninty]

Was that really necessary?

Try to stay on topic. I have a different view from you. You don't need to throw insults to prove anything.

[Sgt>Stackem]

Originally Posted by ninty

Was that really necessary?

Try to stay on topic. I have a different view from you. You don't need to throw insults to prove anything.

I just picture you hiding in a bunker/basement looking up all of these theories. Everytime there is some far fetched idea or whacky notion out there you are all over it. It seems like paranoia (sp?) to me

[mR.cLeAn]

Originally Posted by tomxtr

I'm afraid I don't understand why this would be a conservative vs. liberal thing when it comes to the believability of bombs in the towers.

They fell down, we all saw planes hit them. If there were bombs as well, so be it.

Yeah I guess I got off-track...

So back to point ... Is there not a video showing the planes hitting the towers?

Well some argue that just a hit like that, and the jet fuel could not destroy the building.

It didn't get hot enough to bend the steel. That’s what conspiracy theory says.

However the building was not designed correctly, the exoskeleton was perfect, however it had no structure inside. Plus the entire wait had to help.
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The other thing was the Pentagon, some say that that was a missile ... well I tend to lean more towards a missile on that one, it was too low, and there was supposedly no parts of a plane in the wreckage. Well, that’s what I know, if parts of a plane were found, than I must have put that valuable information in the back of my head and taken in a conspiracy theory for fun.

[ninty]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":d36a0]

Originally Posted by ninty

Was that really necessary?

Try to stay on topic. I have a different view from you. You don't need to throw insults to prove anything.

I just picture you hiding in a bunker/basement looking up all of these theories. Everytime there is some far fetched idea or whacky notion out there you are all over it. It seems like paranoia (sp?) to me[/quote:d36a0]

I came across the idea that there was something else going on on 9/11 2 or 3 years ago. It's not like this topic was made and then I jumped on it and said, 'yeah, bombs blew up the buildings'.

US Canadian and world politics are an interesting subject to me. I keep close tabs on what goes on in world governments because I enjoy it. I do research and come to a conclusion based upon the evidence goven. Many times this is in disagreement with what many people believe and sometimes in disagreement with what governments say.

If you would like to continue to live in your dreamworld, go right ahead. I, myself can't turn back. I've learned a lot and feel like I still have a lot to learn. If you trust others to do the right thing for everyone, more power to you. I don't trust anyone to do anything in the interests of myself or other citizens. This is why I hold a large interest in the decisions governments make.

[mR.cLeAn]

Thats because you don't have religion in you ... go pray, and love your god.

The whole religion was in another topic, but this brings a good point.

Most people in religion that is not Islam live happily nowadays cause they have something to look forward, yes an afterlife, and they enjoy having holidays like Christmas, and they understand that there are consequences for bad things one does.

Well this all leads to trust in your fellow men.

[ninty]

Fuck off. Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

I went to a catholic school for 13 years. I went to a Roman Catholic Church for the first 17 or so years of my life. Because I base my beliefs of everything off scientific fact, God does not, nor ever did exist. Faith is irrevelant to me. What this has to do with trusting someone or a government is a non issue.

Democracy is built on the basis that the PEOPLE of the nation keep WATCH over the government. The people do not work for the government, the government works for the people. The people of the US trusted the government after 9/11. This has led to an illegitimate and illegal war that a minority of citizens support. This is wrong. In addition, the MEDIA is RESPONSIBLE to provide fair and accurate reporting on the government in the interests of the citizens of that country, not the government. This has not happened.

When a government doesn't respond to the wishes of the people, you no longer have a democracy. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the citizens of a democratic country to watch over the government and see that they are making decisions based upon the BEST INTERESTS of the citizens of that country. That is why they are ELECTED.

When you trust governments, you end up with a dictatorship. When you watch a government and require them to make decisions in the best interest of the people, you have democracy. It is your democratic duty to scrutinize your government to make sure they are carrying out the wishes of the people who elected them. You tell the government what to do. Not the other way around.

[mR.cLeAn]

Ok, I trust you'll pray.

[tomxtr]

Originally Posted by ninty

Fuck off. Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

I went to a catholic school for 13 years. I went to a Roman Catholic Church for the first 17 or so years of my life. Because I base my beliefs of everything off scientific fact, God does not, nor ever did exist. Faith is irrevelant to me. What this has to do with trusting someone or a government is a non issue.

Democracy is built on the basis that the PEOPLE of the nation keep WATCH over the government. The people do not work for the government, the government works for the people. The people of the US trusted the government after 9/11. This has led to an illegitimate and illegal war that a minority of citizens support. This is wrong. In addition, the MEDIA is RESPONSIBLE to provide fair and accurate reporting on the government in the interests of the citizens of that country, not the government. This has not happened.

When a government doesn't respond to the wishes of the people, you no longer have a democracy. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the citizens of a democratic country to watch over the government and see that they are making decisions based upon the BEST INTERESTS of the citizens of that country. That is why they are ELECTED.

When you trust governments, you end up with a dictatorship. When you watch a government and require them to make decisions in the best interest of the people, you have democracy. It is your democratic duty to scrutinize your government to make sure they are carrying out the wishes of the people who elected them. You tell the government what to do. Not the other way around.

Not to get off topic, but how has science disproved the existence of God (I noticed you capitalized it, hedging your bet?). Just kidding, I respect, differing opinions. I, like you, am a product of Catholic schools and have doubted the existence of God. I think it shows a degree of intelligence on your part to question what you have been taught.

While faith may be irrelevant to you, I think that it is very relevant to a lot of people. Provided they are not Islamic extremists, what is wrong with people believing that they will go to hell if they don't behave. I don't trust human nature to be enough to keep people in line.

Back on topic, I don't believe it is the nation's best interest for its government to fully disclose all that it knows when it comes to national security matters. Perhaps there were bombs that brought the buildings down. If there were, my sense is the government knows that there were. I know, thank you captain obvious. There may be reasons why they have not disclosed this that relate to on-going investigations, etc. The nation's intelligence community took a real black eye for 9/11, I don't see why there would be any concerted effort to hide additional information just for the sake of saving face, if there was any to be saved.

As far as a democracy goes, you are correct. The catch, however, is that the US is really a republic and not a true democracy. In a true democracy Gore would have won the election with a majority of the popular votes, but because of the electorate, that didn't happen. Your point is taken, however.

The media in this country is nototiously slanted to the left, so you are correct where they are concerned.

[mR.cLeAn]

well said bro, +1

Science has not proven the Theory that a higher power exist.

I'm not that religious, but it really gets to me when people get discredited cause they believe in a god.

[Coleman]

why are we talking about God?

[mR.cLeAn]

Who's talking about god?
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