[Machette]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4686684.stm


I think you really need to consider another option other then putting more and more money on defense. Americans have not grabbled the idea of the military industrial complex, and its really unfortunate.

[Stammer]

We need more tax cuts!

rolleyes:

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Stammer

We need more tax cuts!

rolleyes:

rock:

[TGB!]

[quote:3e0e9]Americans have not grabbled the idea of the military industrial complex, and its really unfortunate.[/quote:3e0e9]

Yes yes, TOO BAD Americans dont think like you Machette - if only they did theyd be SOOOO much better off. The mantra of the Moral-Thought-Police-Facist.

The defense budget has ALWAYS been a priority of EVERY administration - even when Clin-T0N reduced it, it STILL took precedence.

We thank you for your input into the financial affairs of the United States government, but millions of employed Americans, and lawful R&D companies kindly request you save the sanctimonious preening for local poli-sci meetups.

Thanks a bunch.

[Machette]

It indeed has been a priority for every adminstration. I remember reading that jimmy carter promised to cut it significantly but he raised it instead. I'm just saying Americans need to stop this military industrial complex from getting out of hand, which is what Eisenhower warned you guys in his farewell address. It's cutting important programs such as education, health etc. Are these not important programs or is building a bomb or a fighter jet?

[Judas]

We thank you for your input into the financial affairs of the United States government, but millions of employed Americans, and lawful R&D companies kindly request you save the sanctimonious preening for local poli-sci meetups.


lol.

[Coleman]

we don't need some national health care. We just need to get rid of frivolous lawsuits in this country. Once those are chopped at, the prices of things go down significantly. Doctors wouldn't have to be worried about being sued up the ass for something petty--lowering rates for healthcare.

Bush did some great work on it when he was Gov of Texas and it worked pretty well.

[ninty]

[quote="TGB!":53be3][quote:53be3]

We thank you for your input into the financial affairs of the United States government, but millions of employed Americans, and lawful R&D companies kindly request you save the sanctimonious preening for local poli-sci meetups.
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So let's all go to war!

too bad we didn't listen to George Washington.

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Acideyez

too bad we didn't listen to George Washington.

That to...and I quote "Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican liberty" Geroge Washington's Farewell address, september 17, 1796

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Machette

That to...and I quote "Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican liberty" Geroge Washington's Farewell address, september 17, 1796

i don't think you can use any of those quotes with any susbstatial meaning. It doesn't carry over into our times even though GW was one cool cat, heh

[Chango]

Originally Posted by Machette

That to...and I quote "Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican liberty" Geroge Washington's Farewell address, september 17, 1796

We didn't listen to a lot of things he said in his farewell address. Such as

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it, for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy."

[TGB!]

[quote:e6c32]I'm just saying Americans need to stop this military industrial complex from getting out of hand[/quote:e6c32]

Why? Dont just play lipservice with buzzwords and opinions you read on the back of Socialist Weekly - WHY.

[quote:e6c32]which is what Eisenhower warned you guys in his farewell address.[/quote:e6c32]

Oh please - there is NOTHING inherintly wrong with legitimate R&D facilities, and companies like LOCKHEED MARTIN pimping their wares to CONGRESS and the US Government. If you can however prove that the Boogey Man Iron-Triangle IS at its core BAD - then sure you have a point. Right now you dont, and in fact - as I said - you are arguing about MILLIONS losing their jobs, and stunting technological progress. But hey - war is bad.

Oh and, EISENHOWER didnt warn against letting the defense industry balloon to what it is today - he warned against it becoming the fourth arm of government. There IS a difference.

[quote:e6c32]cutting important programs such as education, health etc.[/quote:e6c32]

No its not.

[quote:e6c32]Are these not important programs or is building a bomb or a fighter jet?[/quote:e6c32]

Youre comparing apples in oranges in relation to the United States FEDERAL budget. One dollar turned over to the Defense Budget isnt one dollar taken away from Education, health, etc.

[quote:e6c32]So let's all go to war![/quote:e6c32]

Always there with an empty gesture, a meaningless retort - who loves ya baby.

[c312]

gj TGB. I agree.

and Lockheed Martin owns, my dad works there.

[Machette]

Have all the jobs in defense is a priority now since most of your companies are moving offshore, however outsourcing would/could be a problem in the future for defense contractors, but since they are making so much money I don't see it being an issue..