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Never thought I would see the day when Alabama would have trouble getting a quality high profile coach. maybe yall could pull an Arkansas and raid the high school ranks happy: . It saved Nutt his job.

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Bama has no prestige lately, and thats why.

[Sicilian_Summers]

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":3f56c]Bama has no prestige lately, and thats why.[/quote:3f56c]

The prestige 'Bama built over 50+ years hasn't been lost in 4.

Alabama is still Alabama.

[c312]

^true. Some guy said on sportscenter that when it comes to recruiting in the state of Alabama, Alabama has a clear edge over Auburn because the players want to play for the school with more history.

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

Well, it's the same reason no one wants to coach the Redskins and Yankees. The expectations are too high every year, and job security is too low to have it be considered security. Rodriguez and Schiano did the right thing in staying put. When you're loved some place, it's hard to fire you (Bowden and Paterno for example). But if you screw up, then your reputation as a good coach is lessened (Spurrier and most ND coaches in the past decade).

[Sicilian_Summers]

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":e09f5]Well, it's the same reason no one wants to coach the Redskins and Yankees. The expectations are too high every year, and job security is too low to have it be considered security. Rodriguez and Schiano did the right thing in staying put. When you're loved some place, it's hard to fire you (Bowden and Paterno for example). But if you screw up, then your reputation as a good coach is lessened (Spurrier and most ND coaches in the past decade).[/quote:e09f5]

Shula was 1-11 against LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee. He was the first coach to go 0-4 against Auburn. I don't think the standards at Alabama are too high, I just think Shula was a bad coach. Most people don't realize how Bama fans actually lowered their standards when Shula arrived.

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fine, you win. I'm wrong...

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[quote="Sicilian_Summers":8568b]Shula was 1-11 against LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee. He was the first coach to go 0-4 against Auburn. I don't think the standards at Alabama are too high, I just think Shula was a bad coach. Most people don't realize how Bama fans actually lowered their standards when Shula arrived.[/quote:8568b]

YES. Exactly. In addition, Shula was 0-22 when trailing by the 4th quarter. Yes, that's right, he was unable to stage a comeback victory in his 4 years. Back in the early 90s, Alabama was known to dominate the 4th quarter, especially under Stallings.

The media likes to paint a stigma on Bama, saying that the fans are impossible to please. In reality, nobody questioned Shula until this year, which was actually too long to wait. The fans gave him considerable support, and many think Shula deserved another year (I strongly disagree with that).

The reason why we expect to contend for SEC titles is because of our talent. The talent is there (bringing in a top 10 class last season, and top 20 the other 3 seasons).

Just a few years ago, Michigan fans were calling for Lloyd Carr's head, because he couldn't beat Ohio State. You HAVE to beat your rivals in college football to keep your job. In Alabama's case, this would mean beating LSU, Tennessee, and Auburn . Bama fans don't expect us to sweep these teams every year. We'd like to at least win 50% or more of those though, and I don't think that's unreasonable.

The media also likes to forget that throughout the entire 90s, USC and Oklahoma were both in the shithole. It wasn't until the turn of the century that these two teams got back to the top. Neither team lost it's tradition, prestige, or credibility during those times. Why should it be any different for Alabama? The time frame for our inconsistency has been roughly the same (starting with 1997, the first year without Stallings).

Paul Johnson or Steve Kragthorpe may be excellent coaches. I don't know much about either guy though, but the problem with Kragthorpe in particular is he isn't a "proven winner." Yes, he has done a good job turning around the Tulsa program, but that doesn't mean you can hack it in the SEC. The SEC is a cutthroat conference. Recruiting is tough for any school here. I don't know if Paul Johnson or Kragthorpe would be ready for this kind of job and be successful. Paul Johnson hasn't needed to recruit @ Navy because military academies aren't allowed to recruit.

Either way, both of those guys would be miles better than Shula. Nobody knows about it, but the discipline issues that were going on was one of the key reasons Shula was fired. Some of the things that were going on would be disgusting to any Bama fan.

Does anybody know a lot about Paul Johnson (as he seems to be the lead guy now)? What are his coaching philosophies like? I know he runs the piss out of the ball @ Navy, but that's Navy and that's what they're known for.

[Sicilian_Summers]

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":45793]Paul Johnson or Steve Kragthorpe may be excellent coaches. I don't know much about either guy though, but the problem with Kragthorpe in particular is he isn't a "proven winner." Yes, he has done a good job turning around the Tulsa program, but that doesn't mean you can hack it in the SEC. The SEC is a cutthroat conference. Recruiting is tough for any school here. I don't know if Paul Johnson or Kragthorpe would be ready for this kind of job and be successful. Paul Johnson hasn't needed to recruit @ Navy because military academies aren't allowed to recruit.[/quote:45793]

I think most recruiting is done by assistant coaches. The head coach is usually a "closer." A proven winner like Johnson combined with the excellent facilities, tradition, and support of a program like Alabama should be "good enough" at worst.

[quote:45793]Either way, both of those guys would be miles better than Shula. Nobody knows about it, but the discipline issues that were going on was one of the key reasons Shula was fired. Some of the things that were going on would be disgusting to any Bama fan.[/quote:45793]

Not to mention all the on the field personal fouls...

[quote:45793]Does anybody know a lot about Paul Johnson (as he seems to be the lead guy now)? What are his coaching philosophies like? I know he runs the piss out of the ball @ Navy, but that's Navy and that's what they're known for.[/quote:45793]

I don't know too much beyond his biography and other tidbits I've read about him during his few years at Navy. Apparently he's an offensive guru and his biggest strength when it comes to X's and O's is the flexibility of his system and his ability to gameplan around his team's strengths. Right now at Navy he's pounding the piss out of the ball like you said, but at Hawaii, when he had the quarterback and recievers to do it, he ran a wide open run and shoot type offense that was very successful. JPW is a moderately mobile quarterback, but he's really not suited to run a triple option attack, so I'd expect the Tide to run the Run and Shoot offense Johson coached at Hawaii.

The bottom line is, Paul Johnson wins games whever he's coaching. It's important to remember that while the competition he's playing may be subpar, but so are the teams he is coaching (talent wise). Alabama has the athletes to be on par with other teams in the SEC (aside from their god foresaken right tackle - why the hell didn't Shula try someone else?) and I think Johnson would do well there.

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I agree. I've been doing some research on him and he could definitely be a winner. JPW ran the spread in high school with (now famous) coach Rush Propst.

[c312]

I've heard very good things about Paul Johnson. He certainly has the ability to turn teams around like he did at Navy. He has made them the dominant academy for the past half decade. He also knows how to win big games because in the past 4 years, Navy has gone 8-0 against other academies. I would hate to see him leave because my dad went to the academy and therefore I am a Navy fan, but I think he is a great coach.

If you wanna check out his past, I know he coached at Georgia Southern, you might wanna look back to see what he did there.

[Cpt. Obvious]

Originally Posted by c312

I've heard very good things about Paul Johnson. He certainly has the ability to turn teams around like he did at Navy. He has made them the dominant academy for the past half decade. He also knows how to win big games because in the past 4 years, Navy has gone 8-0 against other academies. I would hate to see him leave because my dad went to the academy and therefore I am a Navy fan, but I think he is a great coach.

If you wanna check out his past, I know he coached at Georgia Southern, you might wanna look back to see what he did there.

I know if Rich Rod would of left then he would the first on our list.